The Reasons why Congress Passed the Ali Act (1999)

[Garnet_StrongerThanYou]

1. Professional boxing is not governed by any league, association, or any form of an established organization like majority of other professional sports.
2. The state officials are not ensuring the protection of the boxers and are not aware or informed of contracts boxers have agreed to.
3. Promoters are taking advantage of the sport by conducting dishonest business affairs. Promoters are not being punished due to some states being less strict about the legal terms that are stated in contracts.
4. There is no rating system provided to rank professional boxers thus ratings are subjected to manipulation by those in charge.
5. There has been a major interference in the sport because of open competition by restrictive and anti-competitive bodies.
6. There are no restrictions placed on contracts that boxers agree to with promoters and managers. It is necessary to enforce a national contract reform which will guarantee the safety of professional boxers and the public from unlawful contracts and to enhance the integrity of the sport
7. 
   it sounds Kind of similar to what is going on today. In MMA.
8. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Boxing_Reform_Act

 

[AerialPingPong]

There is only one reason the UFC has not developed, presented, supported or proposed a similiar Act for MMA

 

[BalloonFoot]

There is only one reason the UFC has not developed, presented, supported or proposed a similiar Act for MMA

 

[XociDe]

The fighters should get a bigger piece of the pie but the way Dana runs things is significantly better than boxing.

Also, no one (hardly) ever considers the undercard fighters in these discussions. Again, it's significantly better for those guys in the UFC than boxing. The UFC spends a ridiculous amount of money on production and advertising as well.

 

[DoctorDeelon]

1. Professional boxing is not governed by any league, association, or any form of an established organization like majority of other professional sports.
2. The state officials are not ensuring the protection of the boxers and are not aware or informed of contracts boxers have agreed to.
3. Promoters are taking advantage of the sport by conducting dishonest business affairs. Promoters are not being punished due to some states being less strict about the legal terms that are stated in contracts.
4. There is no rating system provided to rank professional boxers thus ratings are subjected to manipulation by those in charge.
5. There has been a major interference in the sport because of open competition by restrictive and anti-competitive bodies.
6. There are no restrictions placed on contracts that boxers agree to with promoters and managers. It is necessary to enforce a national contract reform which will guarantee the safety of professional boxers and the public from unlawful contracts and to enhance the integrity of the sport
7. 
   it sounds Kind of similar to what is going on today. In MMA.
8. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali_Boxing_Reform_Act

Whenever they try to pass an Ali Act for MMA or form a union, the big and semi-big names who are currently fighting never get involved. And now they're reaping what they sowed. This is why we can have a World HW title fight in the UFC where neither the champion or the challenger makes a million dollars. It's why an ex champion like Tyron Woodley will get his biggest payday fighting a YouTuber in a different spot. Even a massive star like McGregor will only make a fraction of what he's bringing in. They should have backed the Ali Act and the unions years ago.

 

[ejlarson249]

The fighters should get a bigger piece of the pie but the way Dana runs things is significantly better than boxing.

Also, no one (hardly) ever considers the undercard fighters in these discussions. Again, it's significantly better for those guys in the UFC than boxing. The UFC spends a ridiculous amount of money on production and advertising as well.

Not to mention EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER signed their contract to fight for X dollars. Only 12 year old soy boys think that the UFC is evil.

 

[D'z]

Not to mention EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER signed their contract to fight for X dollars. Only 12 year old soy boys think that the UFC is evil.

Only little bitch shills don't support the fighters in this disagreement.

 

[avenue94]

Also, no one (hardly) ever considers the undercard fighters in these discussions. Again, it's significantly better for those guys in the UFC than boxing. The UFC spends a ridiculous amount of money on production and advertising as well.

Do you have evidence that the Ali Act caused undercard boxer pay to drop?

And the UFC puts about 10 percent into advertising, and production is a couple million a PPV. That's dirt cheap in massive corporation terms. Also, do you think that boxing promoters don't have to pay for advertising and production, be it directly out of their pocket as an included cost that PPV and TV providers pass on to them?

Not to mention EVERY SINGLE FIGHTER signed their contract to fight for X dollars. Only 12 year old soy boys think that the UFC is evil.

So Don King's contracts weren't evil?

 

[kflo]

Whenever they try to pass an Ali Act for MMA or form a union, the big and semi-big names who are currently fighting never get involved. And now they're reaping what they sowed. This is why we can have a World HW title fight in the UFC where neither the champion or the challenger makes a million dollars. It's why an ex champion like Tyron Woodley will get his biggest payday fighting a YouTuber in a different spot. Even a massive star like McGregor will only make a fraction of what he's bringing in. They should have backed the Ali Act and the unions years ago.

Conor became a million dollar fighter his 20th pro fight as a 17-2 pro after an amateur career with 1 fight. That’s almost impossible in boxing.

 

[avenue94]

Conor became a million dollar fighter his 20th pro fight as a 17-2 pro after an amateur career with 1 fight. That’s almost impossible in boxing.

It took him 7 years. Boxers fight more often in the lower ranks. Several boxers have beat him to the million dollar mark in less than 7 years.

 

[kflo]

It took him 7 years. Boxers fight more often in the lower ranks. Several boxers have beat him to the million dollar mark in less than 7 years.

20 fights bro.
And way to leave out he took almost a 2 year break after his 4th fight.

 

[avenue94]

20 fights bro.
And way to leave out he took almost a 2 year break after his 4th fight.

And Mike Tyson crossed the million dollar threshold less than 2 years after turning pro and after having an entirely unremarkable by boxing standards amateur career. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here, other than Conor and Tyson benefited from timing and shallow divisions.

 

[kflo]

And Mike Tyson crossed the million dollar threshold less than 2 years after turning pro and after having an entirely unremarkable by boxing standards amateur career. I'm not sure what you're trying to prove here, other than Conor and Tyson benefited from timing and shallow divisions.

You don’t know because you're either an idiot or you just want to pretend not to know. Which one?

Tyson won 2 junior Olympic golds and only lost to the guy who won the gold in the olympics and was 27-0 as a pro.

Again, I don’t know if youre just pretending to be ignorant…..

 

[avenue94]

You don’t know because you're either an idiot or you just want to pretend not to know. Which one?

Tyson won 2 junior Olympic golds and only lost to the guy who won the gold in the olympics and was 27-0 as a pro.

Again, I don’t know if youre just pretending to be ignorant…..

Yeah...that's an entirely unremarkable amateur record in boxing. JO's aren't particularly meaningful amateur accomplishments in that sport either. Even if I include his amateur career, he made it to a million faster than Conor.

 

[Naoya#1]

A normal job is still better than a combat career.

 

[Lee_]

Boxing sucks even worse than the UFC, which is saying something.

 

[kflo]

Yeah...that's an entirely unremarkable amateur record in boxing. JO's aren't particularly meaningful amateur accomplishments in that sport either. Even if I include his amateur career, he made it to a million faster than Conor.

He was one of the top amateurs in the country and performed significantly more.

 

[avenue94]

He was one of the top amateurs in the country and performed significantly more.

Are you really trying to argue that what looks like a 24-3 amateur record is anything remarkable, even as a heavyweight in the 80s? Several of his contemporaries have far gaudier records as amateurs, and those are just guys who turned pro.

 

[kflo]

Are you really trying to argue that what looks like a 24-3 amateur record is anything remarkable, even as a heavyweight in the 80s? Several of his contemporaries have far gaudier records as amateurs, and those are just guys who turned pro.

Again, you just don’t know what you’re talking about and just want to make sure you get your agenda in.

This was mike Tyson’s pro debut:




Trying to suggest that his starting point was little different from mcgregor is a joke.

Again, Tyson turned pro at 18, and was a top national amateur. He won 2 junior Olympic titles, at age 15 and 16 (the fights are on YouTube). His trainer had trained world champions and insisted tyson would be one as well.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

[avenue94]

Again, you just don’t know what you’re talking about and just want to make sure you get your agenda in.

This was mike Tyson’s pro debut:
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Trying to suggest that his starting point was little different from mcgregor is a joke.

Again, Tyson turned pro at 18, and was a top national amateur. He won 2 junior Olympic titles, at age 15 and 16 (the fights are on YouTube). His trainer had trained world champions and insisted tyson would be one as well.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.

So you want me to take the word of a promotional fight poster that Tyson was an "uncrowned Olympic champion"? lol

Bottom line, Tyson made it to his first million dollar payday quicker than McGregor, even if we include his pedestrian amateur career.