Charles Oliveira's stand up game has been exposed

[Hazuki Ryo]

I love Oliveira, well rounded and great champion for sure. Most finishes in the UFC, most subs, entertaining to watch, but with a few holes fighters like Poirier, Gaethje or Conor can exploit..

Against Chandler, and because he's not afraid of being taken down, he was using his usual faints/kicks, and showed aggressivness to push Chandler against the cage. His guard is usually very high, with a very traditional muay thai stance.

But his main weakness is his lack of head movement. And many coaches will say it's hard to kill the old habits. Charles and his team know that his head movement is lacking, so they try to compensate it with lots of activity, high guard, and fear of takedown.

However, and because Chandler found holes when Charles was less active, this strategy is not perfect.. He got it clean, and in the first round. Props to him for coming back strong in the second round, as if he had gotten his senses back, and well done to him for executing a picture perfect counter.

I fear great strikers like Poirier, Conor, or even brawlers like Gaethje will be able to capitalize on this lack of head movement and KO him.. Or, he could turn into a grappling wizard and get Conor and Dustin to deal with his ground game.. But he'd have to take them down, which is no easy task

 

[Ackmed]

In contrast Islam Makhachev has best striking defense in all or UFC at 0.77 absorbed per minute (vs 3.01 for Oliveira).

Islam will be a dangerous stylistic challenge to Oliveira..no wonder Islam tweeted to Charles to keep the belt warm for him

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

People already said he had bad headmovement, nothing was exposed. If anything people should be impressed that as a grappler he managed to knock Chandler out and also showed that he has more grit than people thought.

 

[Brock Tober]

"Everybody has at least one hole, Joe."
--
Mike Goldberg

 

[RemyR]

This place is goddamn hilarious

 

[Shay Brennan]

If anything his striking looked better than ever. His evolution at that aspect is truly extraordinary.
With that said, if he can upgrade his head movement, then he will be damn near unbeatable.

 

[One Pneuma]

This thread has been exposed as dumb

 

[Kvothe_the_kingkiller]

Anyone want a good laugh?

If you search "Oliveira head movement", you'll see over 100 posts on the topic.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threadloom/search?keywords=+oliveira+head+movement&date=2021-01-01

But none before May 14th.

What happened on May 14th?

TheWeasel discussed it here.

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And 5 minutes later, tons of sherdoggers start talking about it like they've always known it.

Maybe it's just me, but I find it kinda funny.

 

[Grapplefest]

Dustin Poirier seems like an awful matchup for Charles

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

In contrast Islam Makhachev has best striking defense in all or UFC at 0.77 absorbed per minute (vs 3.01 for Chandler).

Islam will be a dangerous stylistic challenge to Oliveira..no wonder Islam tweeted to Charles to keep the belt warm for him

He has 70% striking defense and hasn't faced the best opposition yet. Cruz has 72% Idk who has the best but don't make shit up to make your man crush seem better than he is. Strikes absorbed per minute isn't the same thing as striking defense.

 

[Peli]

I love Oliveira, well rounded and great champion for sure. Most finishes in the UFC, most subs, entertaining to watch, but with a few holes fighters like Poirier, Gaethje or Conor can exploit..

Against Chandler, and because he's not afraid of being taken down, he was using his usual faints/kicks, and showed aggressivness to push Chandler against the cage. His guard is usually very high, with a very traditional muay thai stance.

But his main weakness is his lack of head movement. And many coaches will say it's hard to kill the old habits. Charles and his team know that his head movement is lacking, so they try to compensate it with lots of activity, high guard, and fear of takedown.

However, and because Chandler found holes when Charles was less active, this strategy is not perfect.. He got it clean, and in the first round. Props to him for coming back strong in the second round, as if he had gotten his senses back, and well done to him for executing a picture perfect counter.

I fear great strikers like Poirier, Conor, or even brawlers like Gaethje will be able to capitalize on this lack of head movement and KO him.. Or, he could turn into a grappling wizard and get Conor and Dustin to deal with his ground game.. But he'd have to take them down, which is no easy task

No offense but you're not sharing anything new

 

[Ackmed]

He has 70% striking defense and hasn't faced the best opposition yet. Cruz has 72% Idk who has the best but don't make shit up to make your man crush seem better than he is. Strikes absorbed per minute isn't the same thing as striking defense.

Part of striking defense is to prevent your opponent from throwing.

Oliveira's only faced stronger competition than Islam in Chandler. That's not enough to sway the statistic.

Fighter Kevin Lee and past-prime Ferguson aren't tougher competion than Dober and Arman.

 

[HUGHPHUG]

He has 70% striking defense and hasn't faced the best opposition yet. Cruz has 72% Idk who has the best but don't make shit up to make your man crush seem better than he is. Strikes absorbed per minute isn't the same thing as striking defense.

70% of the time he is 100% defensive

 

[Shay Brennan]

Part of striking defense is to prevent your opponent from throwing.

Oliveira's only faced stronger competition than Islam in Chandler. That's not enough to sway the statistic by much.

Fighter Kevin Lee and past-prime Ferguson aren't tougher competion than Dober and Arman.

You can't even compare the two.
Also, Kevin Lee is a very very good and gifted fighter. Unfortunately he lacks in two very important areas and that's why he has never reached his true potential.

 

[Brom Bones]

"Everybody has at least one hole, Joe."
--
Mike Goldberg

Said in response to a kid asking how 2 guys have teh secks.

 

[Ackmed]

You can't even compare the two.
Also, Kevin Lee is a very very good and gifted fighter. Unfortunately he lacks in two very important areas and that's why he has never reached his true potential.

When comparing a large pool of opponents for striking defence stats, Oliveira hasn't faced much stronger competition than Islam. Yeah he's faced 1 or 2 stronger opponents but that's not enough to sway statistics.

 

[FlyingDeathKick]

Part of striking defense is to prevent your opponent from throwing.

Oliveira's only faced stronger competition than Islam in Chandler. That's not enough to sway the statistic.

Fighter Kevin Lee and past-prime Ferguson aren't tougher competion than Dober and Arman.

Oliveira has also fought guys like Holloway, Pettis, prime Cerrone etc.. Yeah he might have lost to them but he did fight them. I wasn't comparing him with Oliveira in that regard though I was just comparing him with everybody in general. Cruz for example who has fought for the belt several times has better striking defense.

Also no that most certainly is not part of striking defense lmao. That's like saying amazing wrestlers with good control on the ground have great striking defense because they don't get hit as much.

 

[Greatcomebacksir]

"Everybody has at least one hole, Joe."
--
Mike Goldberg

Goldberg was/is a misunderstood genius.

 

[Ackmed]

Oliveira has also fought guys like Holloway, Pettis, prime Cerrone etc.. Yeah he might have lost to them but he did fight them. I wasn't comparing him with Oliveira in that regard though I was just comparing him with everybody in general. Cruz for example who has fought for the belt several times has better striking defense.

Also no that most certainly is not part of striking defense lmao. That's like saying amazing wrestlers with good control on the ground have great striking defense because they don't get hit as much.

Just like Gaethje is credited with TDD by having a stance and skills that prevent most of his opponents from shooting, part of Islam's striking defense is his ability to prevent opponents from throwing.

 

[Shay Brennan]

When comparing a large pool of opponents for striking defence stats, Oliveira hasn't faced much stronger competition than Islam. Yeah he's faced 1 or 2 stronger opponents but that's not enough to sway statistics.

I meant that generally you can't compare the two.
Also, Makhachev is a extremely good sambo fighter. Those fighters absorb the least amount of strikes.
The two of them are very different types of fighters, so they're barely comparable