How does MMA training structure work?

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I saw the news of Ortega feeling betrayed by his camp and he is upset.

In boxing I pay trainer money and he provides training technique and finds sparring partner with the same skill set.

Trainers and fighters both have the right to refuse service or discontinue service. I don't know Ortega case. Was he not paying them?

Did the trainers have other prospect offering money?

Why would trainer leave? if fighter loses, o mean they are getting paid regardless of outcome.
 
Maybe their problems were more personal? Or Brian was, like you said, not payin enough
 
He was faced with a decision, fight on the streets to survive, or become a champion.
 
I traned UFC for a while. You pay your boxing coach, your bjj coach, your wrestling coach, your kickboxing coach, your strength and conditioning coach. Then you pay your PED coach the same as all other coaches combined. Then you pay uncle Dana. Then you pay WME. Then you get paid which leaves you with -$13,000 every fight, which makes you hungrier to fight again. Then you get CTE. Then you retire with no family, no money, and no memories as your brain is like mushy peas.
 
I traned UFC for a while. You pay your boxing coach, your bjj coach, your wrestling coach, your kickboxing coach, your strength and conditioning coach. Then you pay your PED coach the same as all other coaches combined. Then you pay uncle Dana. Then you pay WME. Then you get paid which leaves you with -$13,000 every fight, which makes you hungrier to fight again. Then you get CTE. Then you retire with no family, no money, and no memories as your brain is like mushy peas.
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In mma usually youre with a team where you train at, the gym you go practice at. Then you have a manager which books and sets up fights sponsorship deals. Sometimes the gym owner is also the management. This is usually the case regionally when guys are up and coming, there coach usually manages. Once you are pro and want bigger fights, hiring a manager can help get on cards you normally couldn’t through gym connections.

Typically if you are managed by your coach, you don't pay training fees, but you pay a good percent to coach of each purse. Most up and coming fighters cant pay “dojo fees” anyways because they broke, thats why they choose fighting to begin with.

Most high-profile fighters have both of those separated. Management is a different entity than gym/coach. In this case you must pay both.
 
I traned UFC for a while. You pay your boxing coach, your bjj coach, your wrestling coach, your kickboxing coach, your strength and conditioning coach. Then you pay your PED coach the same as all other coaches combined. Then you pay uncle Dana. Then you pay WME. Then you get paid which leaves you with -$13,000 every fight, which makes you hungrier to fight again. Then you get CTE. Then you retire with no family, no money, and no memories as your brain is like mushy peas.

You seem to remember it well enough.
 
In mma usually youre with a team where you train at, the gym you go practice at. Then you have a manager which books and sets up fights sponsorship deals. Sometimes the gym owner is also the management. This is usually the case regionally when guys are up and coming, there coach usually manages. Once you are pro and want bigger fights, hiring a manager can help get on cards you normally couldn’t through gym connections.

Typically if you are managed by your coach, you don't pay training fees, but you pay a good percent to coach of each purse. Most up and coming fighters cant pay “dojo fees” anyways because they broke, thats why they choose fighting to begin with.

Most high-profile fighters have both of those separated. Management is a different entity than gym/coach. In this case you must pay both.

MMA training is rough business. MMA gyms with no real credential charge 120 dollars a month for either bjj or muay thai. For both you get to pay 200 dollars and save 40 a month but have to sign a contract.

As mentioned these guys have no real credential and people get injuries or learn half ass bjj or muay thai and go out to lose.

Guys that do well are guys who mastered a discipline already and are learning other disciplines defensively and they don't pay because they can teach what they know.

Other than Rory MacDonald I don't know too many fighters who are not specialist. That being said Rory MacDonald seems like a striker now.
 
Brian Ortega's camp had a choice...
Stick by a bum never be champion...
Or become champion!
 
First of all @Ogata , can you be more specific. Is this the news you're talking about?

If so, it sounds like they were teammates - other guys training in the same gym - and not coaches. I didn't listen to the 11 minute video, only read the article. But that's how the article reads. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

So yes he can switch "camps". Move to another gym. Pay other coaches. Or he can do what he did; change training partners that work with him to get him ready, and surround himself with training partners he trusts. And likely, that's free.

This is all I have with the info available. Cheers.

EDIT: OK I just read the thread you read before making this thread (which will surely be moved into that thread soon). https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/betrayal-in-ortegas-camp.4002533/page-4. It sounds like everyone there is sure it's Rener, but some agree with me, that Ortega was too vague to make any answer be nothing more than a guess or, at best, an educated guess.

It also sounds like no one in that thread bothered to listen to the 11 minute interview either lol

Your question was, do UFC gyms work like your boxing coach, and either the coach or the fighter can leave at any time. And the answer is "usually". 20 years ago a trainer might lock a fighter into a longer term manager type contract, but these days that's pretty rare.
 
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I'd rather talk about Halle Berry...
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Every fighters manager/coach/promotion relationship and dynamic is different from each others.

I could very well see disputes between who the manager and/or promotion wants the the fighter to fight next, if the coach/trainer likes or dislikes the matchup, and what the fighter personally feels inside about his own career trajectory.

But Gracie training is about the most expensive you can pay for and I bet Brian owes them a shit ton of bread........jk they prob waived his debt......
 
I traned UFC for a while. You pay your boxing coach, your bjj coach, your wrestling coach, your kickboxing coach, your strength and conditioning coach. Then you pay your PED coach the same as all other coaches combined. Then you pay uncle Dana. Then you pay WME. Then you get paid which leaves you with -$13,000 every fight, which makes you hungrier to fight again. Then you get CTE. Then you retire with no family, no money, and no memories as your brain is like mushy peas.
And voila, life comes full circle.
 
I saw the news of Ortega feeling betrayed by his camp and he is upset.

In boxing I pay trainer money and he provides training technique and finds sparring partner with the same skill set.

Trainers and fighters both have the right to refuse service or discontinue service. I don't know Ortega case. Was he not paying them?

Did the trainers have other prospect offering money?

Why would trainer leave? if fighter loses, o mean they are getting paid regardless of outcome.

Same way magnets work, nobody knows!
 
I traned UFC for a while. You pay your boxing coach, your bjj coach, your wrestling coach, your kickboxing coach, your strength and conditioning coach. Then you pay your PED coach the same as all other coaches combined. Then you pay uncle Dana. Then you pay WME. Then you get paid which leaves you with -$13,000 every fight, which makes you hungrier to fight again. Then you get CTE. Then you retire with no family, no money, and no memories as your brain is like mushy peas.
They wonder why they can't find skilled stars. Oh, they know why.<TheDonald>
 
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