Why can't there be a non-profit fighting organization?

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You would still pay salaries for all the necessary administrative tasks such as creating advertising material, interfacing with athletic commissions, etc. but the organization would be collectively owned by the fighters who participate in it. Matchups can be made purely based on rankings, and rankings can be made based on some system that makes a best effort to be impartial such as fan or journalist voting.

Previously, the lack of a distribution channel may have been the biggest impediment, but now the internet along with cookie cutter streaming and payment services can make that a non-issue.

Without middlemen leeches sucking out the juice, wouldn't the fighters get paid more, the fans have to pay less, and the matchups be more fair?
 
It's going to take a lot of money to organize something like that, which pretty much kills the purpose of being a non-profit organization in the first place.
 
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Thunderhead said:
It's going to take a lot of money to organize something like that, which pretty much kills the purpose of being a non-profit organization in the first place.
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The fighters would pool their money to start one, then split the profits based on some system that they have collectively voted is fair. The difference is that they (the fighters) would get all the profits, instead of something like just 30% that they get now.

Also isn't a big part of the cost of an event fighter salaries? If money is really an issue in the beginning and they feel it is a worthy goal, the first pool of fighters can choose to forgo some of their normal salary to get the thing started (in exchange for some additional privileges down the road if it succeeds).
 
elwani said:
The fighters would pool their money to start one, then split the profits based on some system that they have collectively voted is fair. The difference is that they (the fighters) would get all the profits, instead of something like just 30% that they get now.
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From a practical standpoint, it ain't gonna happen.

These fighters have bills and training camps to pay and families to support. Let's not forget that a fighters' union like this will most definitely be prone to corruptions in the future.
 
elwani said:
The fighters would pool their money to start one, then split the profits based on some system that they have collectively voted is fair. The difference is that they (the fighters) would get all the profits, instead of something like just 30% that they get now.

Also isn't a big part of the cost of an event fighter salaries? If money is really an issue in the beginning and they feel it is a worthy goal, the first pool of fighters can choose to forgo some of their normal salary to get the thing started (in exchange for some additional privileges down the road if it succeeds).
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Yeah this would never happen in this model. Fighters are generally broke
 
Thunderhead said:
From a practical standpoint, it ain't gonna happen.

These fighters have bills and training camps to pay and families to support. Let's not forget that a fighters' union like this will most definitely be prone to corruptions in the future.
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The beginning is always tough. It will need someone with a lot of pull, like McGregor.

But what kind of corruption? Can you elaborate?
 
Yeah...fighters fight. Most of them have bills to pay. I doubt many would be willing to take a gamble on something like that. Maybe if you got enough retired fighters that are very well off to come together on something like that...it might work. You know, for funding. Just to get it off the ground. You would also need big enough names to make people care. Most of the big names aren't going to leave the guaranteed money for maybe money.

Also, reebok is already exclusive to the UFC. They won't be getting that reebok money/swag anymore, which will hurt most of them pretty bad.
 
Excellent idea...then the organization can save some sh!t...
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NOW SING WITH ME:

"There's a choice we're makin'

we're saving our own ass

it's you and me

to make some better pay!"
 
Maybe one day UNICEF will get into the mma business but until then the UFC are the ones to see :D
 
Where would the money for production, marketing & distribution costs come from? How would they financially be able to deal with never ending problems and landscape changes that every business has to deal with - especially one that's entertainment content based like an MMA promotion? What about making business relationships, getting channel deals and breaking into new locations, let alone booking the current venues? Unless you're planning 1 show at a time - which has proven to not be successful - you'd need some serious financial backing for a 5-10 year plan which would then feed off the money the events would make. And so the fighters wouldn't be getting all of the money anyway.

And since this whole thing is about money - how will it not turn into a circus anyway?

Reason why UFC isn't a real sport is cause there's no tournament structure. If this Ultimate Communist Championship you're proposing wanted to make things fair, they'd do the rankings properly and rarely would the champ be the one drawing money. And are you naive to believe that if you got a Conor 2.0 on your hands, you'd have the restraint to not push him above everyone else? If the numbers showed that with him as champ you could make $100 million, but doing it by the book would only get you $10 mill? Would you really be cool with that? Would your fighters be cool with that? Some would get jealous and crave the same push (even though they just don't have what it takes, as far as marketing to audiences goes) while others would just want him on a card, so they can get paid more and go home. You'd have a civil war of ideologies.

I'm using simplistic language here, but the problems would be tremendous. There's no way a shindig like this could exist. Best bet is to clone UFC and have a less greedy Dana White in charge, but... why would he do that job then? Settle for less when he could be getting more? Right now, if WME decided to pay Dana White much less and give it to the fighters - he'd leave and make the same money somewhere else. And WME would need someone else - equally as qualified, respected and capable to do the job. Which might be realistic, but that person would also reach their sealing at UFC and leave for something better. And to constantly have no constant order at the top would just make things dodgy.

This is getting too fat, sorry...
 
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elwani said:
You would still pay salaries for all the necessary administrative tasks such as creating advertising material, interfacing with athletic commissions, etc. but the organization would be collectively owned by the fighters who participate in it. Matchups can be made purely based on rankings, and rankings can be made based on some system that makes a best effort to be impartial such as fan or journalist voting.

Previously, the lack of a distribution channel may have been the biggest impediment, but now the internet along with cookie cutter streaming and payment services can make that a non-issue.

Without middlemen leeches sucking out the juice, wouldn't the fighters get paid more, the fans have to pay less, and the matchups be more fair?
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the future will see something along those lines imo

I don't know about non-profit but the internet playing a role with fans voting to make and judge the fights and the fighters sharing a much larger % of the profits I can see happening
 
Herwald said:
Where would the money for production, marketing & distribution costs come from? How would they financially be able to deal with never ending problems and landscape changes that every business has to deal with - especially one that's entertainment content based like an MMA promotion? What about making business relationships, getting channel deals and breaking into new locations, let alone booking the current venues? Unless you're planning 1 show at a time - which has proven to not be successful - you'd need some serious financial backing for a 5-10 year plan which would then feed off the money the events would make. And so the fighters wouldn't be getting all of the money anyway.

And since this whole thing is about money - how will it not turn into a circus anyway?

Reason why UFC isn't a real sport is cause there's no tournament structure. If this Ultimate Communist Championship you're proposing wanted to make things fair, they'd do the rankings properly and rarely would the champ be the one drawing money. And are you naive to believe that if you got a Conor 2.0 on your hands, you'd have the restraint to not push him above everyone else? If the numbers showed that with him as champ you could make $100 million, but doing it by the book would only get you $10 mill? Would you really be cool with that? Would your fighters be cool with that? Some would get jealous and crave the same push (even though they just don't have what it takes, as far as marketing to audiences goes) while others would just want him on a card, so they can get paid more and go home. You'd have a civil war of ideologies.

I'm using simplistic language here, but the problems would be tremendous. There's no way a shindig like this could exist. Best bet is to clone UFC and have a less greedy Dana White in charge, but... why would he do that job then? Settle for less when he could be getting more? Right now, if WME decided to pay Dana White much less and give it to the fighters - he'd leave and make the same money somewhere else. And WME would need someone else - equally as qualified, respected and capable to do the job. Which might be realistic, but that person would also reach their sealing at UFC and leave for something better. And to constantly have no constant order at the top would just make things dodgy.

This is getting too fat, sorry...
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You don't know what a non profit is. It couldn't exist, same reason a for profit alternative outside of one backed by major money has struggles, UFC already exists and is an accepted brand, but non profits and MORE not less efficent. Profit means having money left over to pay shareholders, it does not mean make money. Please educate yourself because for profit businesses are cancerous to everyone except their shareholders and people believing non profit=charity when it's really just efficient business is dangerous.
 
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