International More False Flag? Two tankers attacked in Gulf of Oman (Iran-USA Brinksmanship Thread)

[MicroBrew]

Gulf Of Oman - 2 supertankers were hit by Torpedo
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48619771

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This , and the previous attacks against Saudi oil facilities, smells ridiculously like a false flag by Israel , Saudi , UAE or actors working for them.

Bolton, working for Israel, wants to drag Trump / the US into a war against Iran. Saudi and UAE also want this war. While Trump was against the Iran nuclear deal during the 2016 campaign, he was also not supportive of MidEast interventionism. But doing a 180° on his 2016 campaign stance, he has appointed the most rabid Neocon hawks to his administration. As Pat Buchanan mentions in a recent OpEd, Bolton is trying to force Trump into war with Iran. To get a reluctant Trump to wage war, the Neocons/Bolton will need to create an atmosphere where it would be impossible for Trump to not act.

The Neocons/Israel have been itching for war with Iran. The US / Trump admin voided the nuclear deal. The Saudis and Emiratis are itching for war with Iran. Why would Iran give them the very excuse needed to attack Iran. Consider the previous US and Israeli false flags and the big lie that was the Iraq war WMDs. And as usual our MSM is silent, which really should be a sign to everyone that the media is not this liberal entity the conservatives perceive it to be, the MSM only leans somewhat liberal on domestic issues.

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Now the question is if the dissident Right / Alt-Right / Coulter / Buchanan et all can do an intervention and get Trump to see what Bolton and Co. are scheming and not go along.

 

[Blowing Dixie]

Israel again? Didn't they sink some US naval vessel years ago BTW, without any retaliation whatsoever? That's focken pathetic.

 

[Videer]

Few weeks ago it was tankers hit by mines, few days ago it was Iranian oil platforms in flames and now this. I dont see anything good happening next.

Pictures reportedly from one of the tankers "Front Altair" from Iranian media.

 

[MicroBrew]

Israel again? Didn't they sink some US naval vessel years ago BTW, without any retaliation whatsoever? That's focken pathetic.

A couple of decades ago. It was the USS Liberty. It was/is deliberately hushed up by the US media / establishment.

The major Israeli newspaper Haaretz actually brought that up in 2017, and mentioned a new book that was set to come out in 2017 explored the matter. Tellingly American media never talked about this book. The article also gives the other side (those who dispute the attack was deliberate) a chance to voice their opinion.

Published by Haaretz on July 11th 2017
'But Sir, It’s an American Ship.' 'Never Mind, Hit Her!' When Israel Attacked USS Liberty

'The Americans have findings that show our pilots were aware the ship was American,' a newly published document by the State Archives says

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/but-sir-its-an-american-ship-never-mind-hit-her-1.5492908

 

[MicroBrew]

2 recent articles by Pat Buchanan:

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Who Wants This War with Iran?

Answer:
Pompeo and Bolton, Bibi Netanyahu, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman and the Sunni kings, princes, emirs, sultans and the other assorted Jeffersonian democrats on the south shore of the Persian Gulf.


And lest we forget, the never-Trumpers and neocons in exile nursing their bruised egos, whose idea of sweet revenge is a U.S. return to the Mideast in a war with Iran, which then brings an end to the Trump presidency.



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Do Trump’s Hawks Speak for Trump?

For a president who won his office by denouncing the Middle East wars into which George W. Bush and Barack Obama plunged the nation, Donald Trump has assembled the most unabashedly hawkish conclave of foreign policy advisers in memory. And he himself seems to concede the point.


If foreign policy were decided by my security adviser John Bolton, the president confided recently, “We’d be in four wars by now.”



https://buchanan.org/blog/do-trumps-hawks-speak-for-trump-137106

 

[JonesBones]

You need to go to Pat Buchanan for right wing conspiracy theories now?

 

[MicroBrew]

You need to go to Pat Buchanan for right wing conspiracy theories now?

I have mentioned and linked Buchanan years ago, so it is nothing new. And this isn't necessarily a "rightwing" conspiracy theory. You think only the rightwing is suspicious and skeptical of what is happening, given the machinations of Bolton and the anti Iran axis?

 

[JonesBones]

I have mentioned and linked Buchanan years ago, so it is nothing new. And this isn't necessarily a "rightwing" conspiracy theory. You think only the rightwing is suspicious and skeptical of what is happening, given the machinations of Bolton and the anti Iran axis?

Buchanan is right wing and this is a conspiracy theory. Right wingers + conspiracy theories = right wing conspiracy theories.

 

[Rholk]

So you got any real evidence for the false flag claim?

 

[cincymma79]

So you got any real evidence for the false flag claim?

Of course there are Jews on the planet
What else do you need really you Zionist plant

 

[MicroBrew]

Buchanan is right wing and this is a conspiracy theory. Right wingers + conspiracy theories = right wing conspiracy theories.

So you think a CT theory is a CT theory if a rightwing pundit mentions it? Nevermind that other people , who are not rightwing, will also come to same conclusion. And you are rightwing also ; so are you saying we should discount Buchanan because he is rightwing?

 

[MicroBrew]

So you got any real evidence for the false flag claim?

It's called a healthy dose of skepticism, considering the history surrounding the issue. Did Bolton have any evidence Iran carried out the attacks, when he accused them of it?

Did anyone have any evidence that Jussie Smollet was lying, when lots of people, from the start were saying it was a false flag. People, including me, suspected it was based on factors.

 

[JonesBones]

So you think a CT theory is a CT theory if a rightwing pundit mentions it? Nevermind that other people , who are not rightwing, will also come to same conclusion. And you are rightwing also ; so are you saying we should discount Buchanan because he is rightwing?

I did your math for you and conspiracy theorists are ALWAYS just asking questions like you are now. Thank you for stepping right out of the mould.

 

[JonesBones]

It's called a healthy dose of skepticism, considering the history surrounding the issue. Did Bolton have any evidence Iran carried out the attacks, when he accused them of it?

Did anyone have any evidence that Jussie Smollet was lying, when lots of people, from the start were saying it was a false flag. People, including me, suspected it was based on factors.

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Conspiracy theorist logic. Just asking questions.

 

[MicroBrew]

Of course there are Jews on the planet
What else do you need really you Zionist plant

Typical righwing response to smear any criticism of the lobby and Israeli actions with the anti Semitic schtick. Completely ignoring the statements and actions by Bibi and Adelson.

By this logic, anytime anyone suspects or accuses Muslims of anything, it is Islamophobic. And this includes all you rightwingers who hold critical views of all the Muslim immigrants in Europe. It is all Islamophobic !!

 

[Rholk]

It's called a healthy dose of skepticism, considering the history surrounding the issue. Did Bolton have any evidence Iran carried out the attacks, when he accused them of it?

Did anyone have any evidence that Jussie Smollet was lying, when lots of people, from the start were saying it was a false flag. People, including me, suspected it was based on factors.

Not telling you to not be skeptical, just asking for actual evidence.

A simple "no i don't" would have been enough

 

[MicroBrew]

I did your math for you and conspiracy theorists are ALWAYS just asking questions like you are now. Thank you for stepping right out of the mould.

Let's this math formula you used.

 

[cincymma79]

Typical righwing response to smear any criticism of the lobby and Israeli actions with the anti Semitic schtick. Completely ignoring the statements and actions by Bibi and Adelson.

By this logic, anytime anyone suspects or accuses Muslims of anything, it is Islamophobic. And this includes all you rightwingers who hold critical views of all the Muslim immigrants in Europe. It is all Islamophobic !!

Uh huh
You just hate zionists
We know

 

[MicroBrew]

Not telling you to not be skeptical, just asking for actual evidence.

A simple "no i don't" would have been enough

No you weren't asking, you were saying there is no evidence , so why don't you come out and say it, instead of trying to be cute. Guess you don't know what a rhetorical question is.

 

[MicroBrew]

Uh huh
You just hate zionists
We know

And you hate Muslims and anyone who is not subservient to Israeli demands, yeah we know.

Always boggles the mind how NPC *some* of you conservatives are, so quick to kneejerk defend Israel. Maybe because you both hate Muslims and or Arabs or because liberals are critical of Israeli policy and Fox News tells you to support Israel.