265lb weight limit is bull. Imagine if Struve could lift...
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Yeah man, that's the hole in Struve's game..... not being able to lift. If he could bulk up he'd be undefeated, right? :icon_lol:
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The weight limit exists, because the weight disparity between the lightest and the heaviest in the weight class is too great. On paper, the solution is to divide heavyweight into two or more classes. However, this is unworkable simply because of how thin everything above middleweight is.
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Do I really have to think for you once again? He's already cutting weight. God damnit Toco can you for once just think before you post?!
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ha, youre one of the worst posters here bro
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Thanks man I appreciate it. Unfortunately I can not say the same.
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It sucks for struve. You don't even need to 7'1 or whatever he is to have to limit your strength program to stay under 265 if you have a body type or frame conducive to adding muscle.
I know high school wrestlers who are 285 in decent shape.
In all honesty if your 230 and are afraid of a 285er cut weight down to 205.
College wrestlers have to be below 197, or else they are going to be wrestling at 285.
205 isnt a bad cut compared to what guys do in collegiate wrestling if they can't handle heavyweight.
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This dude is living in his safe space.
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Super HWT actually exists as a recognized division under unified rules.
However, it's pointless for a major US based MMA promotion to create such a division considering how shallow the talent pool would be.
How many MMA fighters are out there who could compete at a high level at over 265? A lot of the fighters on the verge wouldn't be upping their game if allowed to gain another 20-30 lbs.
As others have noted, Struve has weighed in the 240s for his other fights so it's not like he's a guy who has long struggled with the division's weight limit of 265, and he needs to worry more about throwing a jab than lifting weights.
Fighters like Sylvia, Hunto, Thiago Santos, Prindle, etc. wouldn't exactly be better fighters if they didn't have to make 265.
However, it's pointless for a major US based MMA promotion to create such a division considering how shallow the talent pool would be.
How many MMA fighters are out there who could compete at a high level at over 265? A lot of the fighters on the verge wouldn't be upping their game if allowed to gain another 20-30 lbs.
As others have noted, Struve has weighed in the 240s for his other fights so it's not like he's a guy who has long struggled with the division's weight limit of 265, and he needs to worry more about throwing a jab than lifting weights.
Fighters like Sylvia, Hunto, Thiago Santos, Prindle, etc. wouldn't exactly be better fighters if they didn't have to make 265.
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I'm not sure it's even a factor for Struve. I can't recall a fight where a lack of strength or size was a deciding factor. He might be best off staying lean and keeping his endurance.
Bigfoot is the one the weight limit really hurts.
Nobody should have to cut weight to fight as a heavyweight. The heavyweight division should determine the best fighter in the world, not the best fighter who can make 265. Just add a cruiserweight division if ever required.
Bigfoot is the one the weight limit really hurts.
Nobody should have to cut weight to fight as a heavyweight. The heavyweight division should determine the best fighter in the world, not the best fighter who can make 265. Just add a cruiserweight division if ever required.
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Agreed. Don't know about struve but it's ridiculous to have an upper limit for heavyweight, no other sports do it.
Imagine if schilt never competed in K1
Imagine if schilt never competed in K1
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Man, Struve weighed in at 240 for his first fight in the UFC. That being said, he was just a kid then and he's packed on a substantial amount of size since then. With his physique though, the power game isn't ever gonna be his forte.
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265 limit is bullshit
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The weight limit exists because of Jeff Blatnick's (an Olympic gold medalist wrassler) influence on the Unified Ruleset. He took the NCAA and Olympic weight limits, modified 'em so that they'd all end in a 5 or 0 (to make it more accessible for the more-moronic fans to follow), and added the weight limit on heavyweight cuz' that's what they do in wrestling.
Wrestling used to not have a weight-limit, but they changed it in the 1980's because, while most of the time there were no issues (more on that later)-- in fact, prior to 1984, of all the NCAA heavyweight champions throughout the organization's tenure, there were only three guys who weighed more than 300 pounds (most of the champions weighed between 220 and 245. There would, however, occasionally be people who'd outweigh their counterparts by sometimes twice their weight, and it would show in the contest, which was perceived as an unfair advantage. So a limit was placed on heavyweight, which was understandable, and Blatnick used this same reasoning to justify its usage in shootfighting.
Unfortunately, though, boxing doesn't have a weight limit, kickboxing doesn't have a weight limit, submission grappling doesn't have a weight limit, Sambo doesn't have a weight limit (though they have a 250-lb weight class in some places, but not at the Worlds), combat wrestling doesn't have one, Judo doesn't have one... so it's kind of ridiculous to impose wrestling-specific standards in a sport where other sports' disciplines and standards play as much a role in how a fight turns out as it does anywhere else.
The big thing is that, when you get above a certain weight-- I.E., ~220-- everything becomes a great equalizer. Each weight discrepancy poses its own pros and cons which vary depending on the skills of the participants involved. Especially when striking's involved. That's why there've only been a handful of elite boxers who've weighed more than 300 pounds, why Semmy Schilt never weighed more than ~285, why Mike Tyson was dominating guys (and why a lot of the boxing heavyweight top-10 only weigh, like, 230), and why Fedor, Cro Cop and Nogueira could destroy so many much-larger opponents in their primes.
The UFC's influence on the creation of the unified rules is also a big factor. The image of a promotion's heavyweights can- and does weigh a lot [heh], and it changes a promotion's image when you have fighters who look like Zuluzinho or Butterbean, which hurts if that's not the image you're going for. So the 265-lb limit's enforced so stringently because they wanna protect their image, despite the fact that it's unfaithful to the essence of sportsmanship.
Having- and not having to cut 20+ pounds makes a big difference. It may not be a fight-changing difference some of the time, but it's a big difference nonetheless. 20 pounds of water ain't no small thing, no matter your size. Sylvia in his prime could've potentially been much better in some of his fights if he didn't have to cut 20-30 pounds every fight. Bigfoot would definitely be better if he didn't have to, and possibly Lesnar, too. Schilt's K-1 career definitely would've hurt if he was cutting 20-30 pounds before the grand prix when his opponents were cutting nothing.
Wrestling used to not have a weight-limit, but they changed it in the 1980's because, while most of the time there were no issues (more on that later)-- in fact, prior to 1984, of all the NCAA heavyweight champions throughout the organization's tenure, there were only three guys who weighed more than 300 pounds (most of the champions weighed between 220 and 245. There would, however, occasionally be people who'd outweigh their counterparts by sometimes twice their weight, and it would show in the contest, which was perceived as an unfair advantage. So a limit was placed on heavyweight, which was understandable, and Blatnick used this same reasoning to justify its usage in shootfighting.
Unfortunately, though, boxing doesn't have a weight limit, kickboxing doesn't have a weight limit, submission grappling doesn't have a weight limit, Sambo doesn't have a weight limit (though they have a 250-lb weight class in some places, but not at the Worlds), combat wrestling doesn't have one, Judo doesn't have one... so it's kind of ridiculous to impose wrestling-specific standards in a sport where other sports' disciplines and standards play as much a role in how a fight turns out as it does anywhere else.
The big thing is that, when you get above a certain weight-- I.E., ~220-- everything becomes a great equalizer. Each weight discrepancy poses its own pros and cons which vary depending on the skills of the participants involved. Especially when striking's involved. That's why there've only been a handful of elite boxers who've weighed more than 300 pounds, why Semmy Schilt never weighed more than ~285, why Mike Tyson was dominating guys (and why a lot of the boxing heavyweight top-10 only weigh, like, 230), and why Fedor, Cro Cop and Nogueira could destroy so many much-larger opponents in their primes.
The UFC's influence on the creation of the unified rules is also a big factor. The image of a promotion's heavyweights can- and does weigh a lot [heh], and it changes a promotion's image when you have fighters who look like Zuluzinho or Butterbean, which hurts if that's not the image you're going for. So the 265-lb limit's enforced so stringently because they wanna protect their image, despite the fact that it's unfaithful to the essence of sportsmanship.
Having- and not having to cut 20+ pounds makes a big difference. It may not be a fight-changing difference some of the time, but it's a big difference nonetheless. 20 pounds of water ain't no small thing, no matter your size. Sylvia in his prime could've potentially been much better in some of his fights if he didn't have to cut 20-30 pounds every fight. Bigfoot would definitely be better if he didn't have to, and possibly Lesnar, too. Schilt's K-1 career definitely would've hurt if he was cutting 20-30 pounds before the grand prix when his opponents were cutting nothing.
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Dude, Sylvia came in against Arlovski for their second fight at 256. Look at the sheer amount of blubber on him and you can tell the only reason he MAY have had to cut weight is because he had a terrible diet. There's no way that a fit Tim Sylvia should have had to cut ANY weight to hit 265, really.
Guys like Bigfoot, who may well have the smallest arms for a 265 pounder I've ever seen and Lesnar though, sure, but they have much different, thicker frames than Sylvia.
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