2022 Motor racing thread

ralphc1 said:
I don't know why they are trying the 500 when the plan for the team is to run the road courses. 50 is rather late in life to try a race when most drivers are retired by then.
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road corse is amazing racing. but watch with out any breaks in seeing where car is is just insane. being on track and cars are driving and you only sit at one sector and you have no idea what is going on at others sectors on track is intereing. but to sit in stands and have clear view where car is constantly on track and move your head side to side for 500 laps is insane
 
mala-lisa said:
road corse is amazing racing. but watch with out any breaks in seeing where car is is just insane. being on track and cars are driving and you only sit at one sector and you have no idea what is going on at others sectors on track is intereing. but to sit in stands and have clear view where car is constantly on track and move your head side to side for 500 laps is insane
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Just to clarify, it would only be 200 laps...
 
mala-lisa said:
road corse is amazing racing. but watch with out any breaks in seeing where car is is just insane. being on track and cars are driving and you only sit at one sector and you have no idea what is going on at others sectors on track is intereing. but to sit in stands and have clear view where car is constantly on track and move your head side to side for 500 laps is insane
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Road courses are terrible for spectators and even watching on television isn't great. There is too much track to cover but on television you usually get replays.
 
Chase Elliott takes a big flip at the Chili Bowl.
 
The steering on NASCAR's new cars seems to be causing some concern. The new cars use rack and pinion steering where they used to use a steering sector. The variable ratio steering sector has less steering movement compared to steering wheel movement in the center of it's travel than at the far limits. This means a slight movement of the steering wheel only slightly turns the wheels on the car. It seems that the drivers are finding that slight steering wheel movements have a greater effect on the steering in the new rack and pinion systems. They have also complained that the wheels won't turn as sharply as the old cars. NASCAR has tried some changes from the original design but since teams have to purchase parts from certain manufacturers, there probably won't be enough parts available to make changes.

The 18 inch rims might also be causing some of the steering differences that the drivers are feeling. A high speed track like Daytona might not be the best venue for the first outing. Technically, the first run will be at the Colliseum in Los Angeles in the Clash. I know NASCAR is looking for more money but having the teams 2,000 miles farther away from their shops for the first race in a new car seems like an asinine decision. At least in Florida they were only 6 hours away. Due to the shortage of parts for this new car that was supposed to debut last year, teams are still scrambling to build cars.

In the past, the clash was for the drivers who had won pole positions in the previous years as well as past winners of the Clash. Then they added the open race that would allow one car that hadn't met the qualifications to win their way into the field and eventually added fan voting to add one more to the field. This season it appears that the field is open to 40 cars for qualifying then heat races will determine who qualifies as well as a last chance race.

NASCAR is putting cars that have never been raced before on tires that have never been raced on before on a track that has never been raced on before. Then 9 days later they will get 2 - 50 minute practice sessions at Daytona. The next night, qualifying. The next night the 125 mile qualifying races then a 50 minute morning practice on Saturday before racing on Sunday afternoon. Then they have to head to Fontana California for the next race. NASCAR says they are looking for ways to cut cots but have the teams crossing the country twice in two weeks.
 
Zak Brown: McLaren boss says no sprint events in 2022 a possibility
F1 had an agreement in principle from the teams to increase the number of sprints from three to six in 2022.

But eight out of 10 teams need to agree on details to secure the sprints, and some are holding out for more money.

F1 has shown the teams data that proves the sprint events increased audience figures and sponsorship income.

Last year a financial deal was agreed to provide the teams with a small payment to offset potential damage from more racing.

But Brown said the big teams were trying to take advantage of this by pushing for a larger than necessary increase in the budget cap, which is set at $140m (£103m) this year.
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https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60036659

Formula One shows the teams that the sprint races bring in more money. The teams are limited in the number of parts they can use. Teams want to be able to spend more money. I don't think they are getting more money from Formula One.

There is also the controversy of the promised inquiry into how the safety car was handled in Abu Dhabi. The inquiry was delayed and the results aren't scheduled to be released until after the first practice sessions for the new season.

New FIA president Mohammed Ben Sulayem held talks with Mercedes Formula 1 team principal Toto Wolff on Friday, as part of a series of meetings between the Emirati and F1 team bosses to dig into the solutions to the controversy arising from the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix.
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The FIA promised this inquiry three days after Abu Dhabi. But work on it did not start until last week. And Ben Sulayem's meeting with Wolff happened a little over a month after the Abu Dhabi race. This is a delay that some in the sport find inexplicable, even allowing for Christmas.

The impression is that the FIA was initially working under the belief that the issue would go away as time passed.
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The two articles that caused such controversy in Abu Dhabi - 48.12 and 48.13 - seem clear enough in how they lay out the sequence of events in which the race can be restarted after a safety car.

But Masi still found a way to interpret them differently - and the stewards still managed to use them to retrofit an explanation for his actions in rejecting Mercedes' protest on the evening after the race.

These will need smoothing out, as will article 15.3. On the face of it gives the race director "overriding authority" over the clerk of the course in the operation of a number of aspects of the weekend, including the safety car. But in the aftermath of Abu Dhabi some have suggested that that phrase gives the race director carte blanche to do what he likes.

This is not an argument that stands up to logic, not least because it would obviate the need for any sporting regulations at all if the race director could operate on a whim. But it is one that needs eliminating from possible use.
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https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/60007031
 
Mazda MX - 5 Cup race is on IMSA tv tonight at 5:25 Eastern US time but it might only be available on Peacock tv in the US.

Tombazis: FIA ready to counter threat of potential loopholes
https://www.planetf1.com/news/fia-counter-loophole-threat/

With the new rules package, Formula One thinks they have closed all the loopholes but teams always seem to find something to exploit. Back in my racing days in the 70s, there was a line in the rules to the effect that just because there is no rule saying it is illegal doesn't make it legal. All interpretations of anything not definitively stated in the rules are at the sole discretion of the officials.
 
24 hours of Daytona on now

First weekend of Formula E run and won.
 
The cold weather in Florida is causing a lot of tire grip problems in the Rolex 24. Cars are sliding around because they can't get enough heat in their tires. Castroneves was able to get back in the lead after a restart but somehow punctured a tire and lost almost two laps trying to get to the pit. Then there was a three car crash that brought out another caution just as he was getting to the pit so all they could do was change the tire.
 
legatoblues said:
Well, this sure will be something

https://racer.com/2022/02/01/mayweather-jr-launches-cup-team-attempting-daytona-500-with-grala/
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It looks like another Childress car or at least they get engines from Childress. Grala is a pretty good driver but it's a tough row to hoe to make it in through the qualifying races which will be the first with the new cars. I'm expecting even more crashes that usual.

There are a couple of other interesting articles on that page.

Viewership was down for the Rolex 24. They are linking it to the race being on the NFL playoff weekend, but the first game didn't start until well after the race was over. I suspect NBCs screwing around with 3 different entities in NBC, USA and the PPV Peacock online limited viewership after NBC dropped their sports channel.

The Clash at the Coliseum article suggests there might be chaos on the small flat track. Some drivers seem to think differently.

“At the end of the day, we want to put on a good show,” said Truex. “We don’t want there to be a lot of cautions and wrecks, not a lot of chaos, just a good race to put on a good show with all the attention it’s getting and make it a successful event.”
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Does Martin Truex really believe that fans want to see a race without wrecks? I can't find any information on how NASCAR is paying the teams for this race. Originally in the Clash, only the winner got paid. I think they have changed that over the years but I don't know how much. When it was at Daytona, the teams were already there for practice for the Daytona 500 and the Clash gave them a chance for real race practice and a chance for a big prize. Now the teams have to drive all of the way across the US to run on a track that they might not ever race on again and certainly not this season. The track is nothing like any track they will race on this season and won't help then determine how the new cars will handle on the high speed high banked Daytona track. Add to that the new cars and parts for them are in short supply. I don't know why the teams are wasting the time and money to go there unless NASCAR is paying them to.
 
Rodney Childers, the crew chief on Kevin Harvicks Stewart/Haas Mustang is saying that the team will only have one car for Daytona because of parts shortages. NASCAR brass are complete idiots for going ahead with the new car without a proper stockpile of parts when they require everyone to get their parts from the same supplier. How far up their asses did they have their heads. Then they moved the clash out of Daytona to a short track so the Clash cars won't be set up for a super speedway.
 
I had the Pro Bowl and the NASCAR racing on at the same time. Both were pretty boring. The new cars don't have enough steering to run on that short of track.
 
formula 1 is best racing. only good thing liberty brought is cap on spending and caring about every team while bernie was about big stars team
 
mala-lisa said:
formula 1 is best racing. only good thing liberty brought is cap on spending and caring about every team while bernie was about big stars team
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Formula One is, like many forms of racing today, basically a parade. There is little to no passing. The cars that start in the front stay in the front barring a strategically placed safety car to allow advantageous pit stops. Teams chose a pit strategy and hope for luck, a well timed caution by a team car or intervention by the race director ignoring the rules to make it work.
 
Just got caught up on the clash. Pleasantly surprised to find an actual race with minimal BS involved. I like NASCARs on track product, but can't stand the cautions, officiating, broadcasting or drama. Besides a few small things I was glad to see a fairly pure, proper race.
 
F1 car unveils have begun, with Aston Martin showing the first "real" 2022 car.
 
ralphc1 said:
Formula One is, like many forms of racing today, basically a parade. There is little to no passing. The cars that start in the front stay in the front barring a strategically placed safety car to allow advantageous pit stops. Teams chose a pit strategy and hope for luck, a well timed caution by a team car or intervention by the race director ignoring the rules to make it work.
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come on formula 1 is not parade it is just most dificult form of racing if it was easy many would be doing passing and position changes but it is very dififucukt to pass in formula 1 because you got best drivers in the world best aero in the world best engine and power in the world but next year with new tires and they say it will be easy to try and pass even with out drs
 
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