Elections 2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Inslee and Hickenlooper out

2019 WR Democratic Straw Poll (Pick Up to 3)

  • John Delaney (US Congressman MD)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Jay Islee (Former Governor WA)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Marianne Williamson (Entrepreneur)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Wayne Messam (Mayor Miramar, FL)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Michael Bennet (Senator CO) *Hasn't decided yet*

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Bill DeBlasio (Mayor New York, NY) *Hasn't decided yet*

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other (Please Post)

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    87
  • Poll closed .
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I actually think it's a decent idea. The procedure just needs to be fleshed out more, and it's aimed at actual firms, as opposed to individuals.
Type with a straight face that this administration (or even a worse-than-average Republican administration) wouldn't abuse the god-ever-loving shit out of something like this.
 
@Fawlty! Good God.



Bernie or Bust.

lol @ Guy Benson falling for Mayor Pete. I sense he's going to get a nice wake up call on what the deal really is with fuckhead right-wingers if he continues praising him.




Wtf? Did you (and that second tweeter) not notice that the guy referred to Buttigieg as "Pete Buttplug" and that Benson (whoever that is) was referring to the fact that an iota of criticism for Daddy leads the morons to start with their childish nicknames and veiled accusations of homosexuality/cuckery?
 
Type with a straight face that this administration (or even a worse-than-average Republican administration) wouldn't abuse the god-ever-loving shit out of something like this.

I don't know. It would depend on the makeup and the safeguards - and it would still be subject to the oversight of the Supreme Court, so that's pretty important.
 
Also, @Fawlty, I think admitting it's a problem that needs addressed and then summarily dismissing an idea that is a pretty basic nod toward addressing it is....problematic. It's not something that can be resolved by the private market, clearly, as the market has failed to address it and, also, because a significant portion of the market is actively rebelling against firms taking even the most conservative of action against it. Without analyzing the constitutional issues, a half-measure sort of deal might involve delegating state enforcement power to some sort of panel of experts in journalistic professionalism and First Amendment law, but that would receive the same scorn (and would additionally get flack from the left for outsourcing democracy to private interests).
 
I don't know. It would depend on the makeup and the safeguards - and it would still be subject to the oversight of the Supreme Court, so that's pretty important.
The state of affairs that includes an appointed government official designating official truths and falsehoods and fining news organizations for violating the official state truth is just too much. Even when done perfectly, it's chilling.
 
The toe-sucking comments itt or the Gay for Mayor Pete campaign?

The funk!

Also I don't blame that dude for "attacking" the witless sycophants of the Trump Twitter Brigade for being witless sycophants.

Wtf? Did you (and that second tweeter) not notice that the guy referred to Buttigieg as "Pete Buttplug" and that Benson (whoever that is) was referring to the fact that an iota of criticism for Daddy leads the morons to start with their childish nicknames and veiled accusations of homosexuality/cuckery?

Yeah, and that was actually the point. Benson is a Fox News contributor and openly gay Republican not dancing to the script with the Trump criticism, so they immediately jump on his sexuality.
 
The state of affairs that includes an appointed government official designating official truths and falsehoods and fining news organizations for violating the official state truth is just too much. Even when done perfectly, it's chilling.

Your use of the "official state truth" language is annoying since there is no possible government action on this issue that couldn't be attacked with it. So, if that's how you are choosing to attack it, I have to believe you don't think it's an issue the government can or should be concerned with at all since the mere presence of a government action - even if done perfectly - is not acceptable.
 
The funk!





Yeah, and that was actually the point. Benson is a Fox News contributor and openly gay Republican not dancing to the script with the Trump criticism, so they immediately jump on his sexuality.

So what was the point of linking the second tweet? The guy's oh shucks point is idiotic, as the Trumper stooge wasn't just politely pointing out that the guy's politics aligned with Buttigieg.
 
Also, @Fawlty, I think admitting it's a problem that needs addressed and then summarily dismissing an idea that is a pretty basic nod toward addressing it is....problematic. It's not something that can be resolved by the private market, clearly, as the market has failed to address it and, also, because a significant portion of the market is actively rebelling against firms taking even the most conservative of action against it. Without analyzing the constitutional issues, a half-measure sort of deal might involve delegating state enforcement power to some sort of panel of experts in journalistic professionalism and First Amendment law, but that would receive the same scorn (and would additionally get flack from the left for outsourcing democracy to private interests).
Well, I think it's an invitation to massive abuse. If somebody can come up with a proposal that protects the process fully from abuse (to a hardcore freedom of the press standard), which I doubt, I'll take a look.
 
Your use of the "official state truth" language is annoying since there is no possible government action on this issue that couldn't be attacked with it. So, if that's how you are choosing to attack it, I have to believe you don't think it's an issue the government can or should be concerned with at all since the mere presence of a government action - even if done perfectly - is not acceptable.
Not quite, but that's a reasonable criticism. We could consider applying fraud laws in some instances, perhaps (but that would be a very liberal application).
 
I think Biden/Gabbard would crush Trump easily. The question is just a) whether Biden ever makes it that far (I have huge doubts) and b) whether Gabbard would, based on her skillset, be a good pick. But I do think Dems need at least a VP pick with strong appeal to the more opportunistic Trump voters.
 
So what was the point of linking the second tweet? The guy's oh shucks point is idiotic, as the Trumper stooge wasn't just politely pointing out that the guy's politics aligned with Buttigieg.

Indeed, he wasn't. That's why it's very stupid to align yourself with the right and I imagine he's going to find out how they really feel about him if he keeps it up. Not that it doesn't happen on the other side, but it's literally close to being the entire base with them.
 
Nah, man.

Like I said before, he won't make it very far even in the primaries imo. I just think that Sanders will be defeated by the 'socialist!!1!' tactic. And I don't believe in Warren's appeal, but that's maybe just me not having the exposure to US political coverage that you guys do.

All others are not (at this stage of the campaign, of course) serious candidates.
 
Socialist America will be the greatest Utopia man has ever known
 
Like I said before, he won't make it very far even in the primaries imo. I just think that Sanders will be defeated by the 'socialist!!1!' tactic. And I don't believe in Warren's appeal, but that's maybe just me not having the exposure to US political coverage that you guys do.

All others are not (at this stage of the campaign, of course) serious candidates.
Biden, Sanders, Buttigieg, Harris and Warren are all "serious" (at this too-early point in time). Especially Biden, who is a clear favorite.

This is a good article that talks a bit about what polling means at this point:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...-need-a-good-reason-to-bet-against-the-polls/
 
Interesting that he considers both Harris and Buttigieg (how the hell do you pronounce that? Butt-ee-gyge?) as more serious candidates than Warren.
Yeah I disagree with that too. Harris and Warren are both more "serious" candidates than Buttigieg because they have been in the conversation longer and have better-developed campaigns. Buttigieg could still flame out like Beto, maybe. After the June debates happen (June 26th I think?) we should have a clearer picture of who is a serious challenger to Biden and Sanders.
 
Jack Savage when I told him Tulsi was the only other candidate the Democratic base liked(Andrew Yang didn't exist yet really).

Jack Savage "what base are you talking about?"

Jack, you there? Ready to admit you were in a bubble?

But yeah that 22% for Buttegieg is very concerning. He makes Kamala and the other people I was bitched about look like saints by comparison. Is a meme for using identity politics and NO policy, not a little policy, not lying about policy, no policy.
 
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