2019 Canelo vs 2001 Roy Jones Jr at 175

[Yacob]

It's like me saying Smoky Joe Wood was better than Pedro...

 

[borntoloseNOT]

Bunch of bullshit. RJJ used a boring safety first approach to outpoint Toney,Hopkins, and McCallum none of that razzle dazzle flash he did to B level fighters. If Ezzard fights Jones in a 15 rounder I struggle to see how he doesn't get RJJ timing and rhythm down well enough to hurt and finish Jones.

Lol at getting RJJs timing down. Something no one ever did once during his prime yeara. The second Roy thinks Charles is a real threat, he turns it up and gets him out of there.

 

[JayE]

But none of them saw him ultimately. How can you say aguy in the sport's infancy had more skill than peak rjj....it isn't logical imho

The sport wasn't necessarily in its infancy. It was considerably different than it is now, but prizefighting had existed for several decades before Langford. Many boxing historians will choose not to directly compare fighters from considerably different eras, though, and Langford and Jones did fight in very different eras. If that's how one wants to do it, within his own era, what Langford achieved was more remarkable than what Jones Jr.. achieved. There is a reason why many will talk about Langford in a way that only guys like Robinson, Greb, and Robinson tend to be talked about.

 

[Mad Dollar]

Dude prime Roy Jones kills everybody what ever the weight class

 

[Yacob]

The sport wasn't necessarily in its infancy. It was considerably different than it is now, but prizefighting had existed for several decades before Langford. Many boxing historians will choose not to directly compare fighters from considerably different eras, though, and Langford and Jones did fight in very different eras. If that's how one wants to do it, within his own era, what Langford achieved was more remarkable than what Jones Jr.. achieved. There is a reason why many will talk about Langford in a way that only guys like Robinson, Greb, and Robinson tend to be talked about.

In the 1900s prize fighting was in it's infancy. They just started seeing it as legit and keeping records around like 1880s. It was basically 1 step up from backyard wrestling in Langfords time.

What exactly did he achieve? Instead of just saying that, give me some accolades that will make me favor him over Jones.

Boxing historians are retarded. He's described as "James Toney with Tysons punching power"......pfff get the fuck out with that shit. People who never even saw him fight....absurd.

 

[Old Cat]

In that era dude played a professional basketball game a few hours before his title defense

the griffin fight

 

[JayE]

In the 1900s prize fighting was in it's infancy. They just started seeing it as legit and keeping records around like 1880s. It was basically 1 step up from backyard wrestling in Langfords time.

What exactly did he achieve? Instead of just saying that, give me some accolades that will make me favor him over Jones.

Boxing historians are retarded. He's described as "James Toney with Tysons punching power"......pfff get the fuck out with that shit. People who never even saw him fight....absurd.

There is tape of Langford. Not a ton, but it exists.

He beat Joe Gans, the best LW of the time and still considered one of the greatest in history, when he was 18 at around the LW limit. From there, he went on to become, in most people's opinion, the best HW in the world for an extended period of time. Beating Gans around LW and Harry Wills at HW (and a very long list of elite fighters in between LW and HW) is completely and utterly remarkable. He faced 12 HoFers in his career, beating 9 of them, frequently giving up considerable weight. Let's remember, that we do have extensive tape on several contemporaries or near contemporaries to Langford and there were several common opponents in there.

He beat Harry Wills, a guy with the reach of Deontay Wilder, who was long considered the 2nd best HW in the world during Dempsey's heyday (or the best, depending on who was asked, as Dempsey refused to fight him on account of the colour line), despite being a guy who started at LW. Both Dempsey and his contemporaries have extensive tape on them and they looked plenty competent in said tape.

 

[nastyleft]

Yes they would.
Plenty of people.
Ali could.
Frazier, Foreman, Wilder, Joshua, Klitschko, ETC...

All of those guys could beat 160-175lb Roy Jones. They'd have 40-80lbs on him.

Ah, your comprehension of what has been written is challenged.

 

[nastyleft]

Let's not forget RJJ had HW power at MW

 

[nastyleft]

Hagler?

Prime Roy beats Hagler in a decision, too slick, too good of an athlete, too fast on his feet, basically a better version of Sugar Ray Leonard with power to get your attention. Hagler tries to walk Roy down for most of the fight becasue that's what Hagler does. Roy slips in some sneaky lead rights and left hooks and gets out of there before Hagler can counter. Rinse and repeat all night, RJJ was very patient when he knew the other guy was dangerous.

 

[Yacob]

Let's not forget RJJ had HW power at MW

Meh....he was more fast than he was powerful

 

[nastyleft]

Meh....he was more fast than he was powerful

Speed generates power

 

[Yacob]

Speed generates power

That's a nice counterpunch post but....not really true.

Floyd would have knocked people into the shadow realms if that were true.

Speed creates more opportunities for catching a blind spot....which will be impactful shots

 

[nastyleft]

That's a nice counterpunch post but....not really true.

Floyd would have knocked people into the shadow realms if that were true.

Speed creates more opportunities for catching a blind spot....which will be impactful shots

Actually Floyd used to (look at his early fights); until his hand problems made him less of a volume puncher and more defensive. But that's OK

 

[Yacob]

Actually Floyd used to (look at his early fights); until his hand problems made him less of a volume puncher and more defensive.

Floyd did have solid power at 130 but he was hardly removing fools from consciousness

 

[nastyleft]

Floyd did have solid power at 130 but he was hardly removing fools from consciousness

 

[Yacob]

 

[nastyleft]

5600 posts since April?

 

[Yacob]

5600 posts since April?

The problem is most of those are from work

 

[nastyleft]

The problem is most of those are from work