2 time Olympic gold medalist Vasyl Lomachenko's pro debut

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2 time Olympic gold medalist Vasyl Lomachenko making his pro debut, it'll be real interesting to see how he does in the pros.

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This guy is a beast of a fighter, ridiculous amateur career, check out his training, insane..

 
Beast of a fighter, you say?
 
Inform me when he leaves AIBA.
 
Was that considered a pro fight?

I read that it's still considered ammy.
 
In the intros it states his record as 0-0, makes sense that he's making his pro debut.
 
It's not a pro debut, he's fighting in the World Series of Boxing. It's a new amateur system with 5 rounders, no headgear and a tenpoint must scoring system.

They are essentially pro fights, it's a great new setup.
 
I don't think that was a pro fight. That guy he was fighting was too good for a first fight anyways.

That was one of those world series of boxing cross over things.

Although I know they are doing away with head gear and changing the scoring style to a professional 10 point system in the ammies. I can't wait for that.
 
He was fighting against the British Lion Hearts 61kg fighter Sam Maxwell, who is also an amateur.

American's probably won't know much about this new World Series of Boxing, because they've been getting demolished since it began.
 
WSB is a dipping pool for ammies. So yes, it's a pro fight. Only thing is I'm not sure if the other orgs will even recognise them. I'll be curious if Boxrec lists it. He doesn't have a boxrec page as of now,
 
It's not a pro debut, he's fighting in the World Series of Boxing. It's a new amateur system with 5 rounders, no headgear and a tenpoint must scoring system.

They are essentially pro fights, it's a great new setup.

Sounds awesome, 10 point scoring system for ammys.
 
It is NOT a pro competition, it is sanctioned by the AIBA and only amateur boxers can compete. By fighting in the competition, you remain eligible for Olympic selection. The fights are very much like Pro fights, but they are all still amateur fighters.

Some people consider it to be a pro competition because their is prize money involved, that is the only reason.
 
Sounds like a great platform for amateurs to eventually transition into the pros. I've heard about this system but never knew when it was getting implemented, no headgear plus 10 point scoring is great especially for someone like Vasyl who will probably (hopefully) turn pro some day.
 
It is NOT a pro competition, it is sanctioned by the AIBA and only amateur boxers can compete. By fighting in the competition, you remain eligible for Olympic selection. The fights are very much like Pro fights, but they are all still amateur fighters.

Some people consider it to be a pro competition because their is prize money involved, that is the only reason.

The AIBA is turning pro though.
 
LONDON -- World champion Vasyl Lomachenko and four of his medal-winning teammates on Ukraine's dominant Olympic boxing team have signed with a new professional boxing venture created by the governing body of the amateur sport.

AIBA President Wu Ching-Kuo announced his signings of the world's best amateur boxer and his four talented teammates to The Associated Press on Friday.

Lomachenko has dominated his sport since his gold medal-winning performance at the Beijing Games, winning two world titles with crowd-pleasing skills that have attracted enormous interest from pro promoters worldwide.

The deals with five fighters on the most powerful team at the London Olympics are a coup for Wu's organization and its fledgling AIBA Professional Boxing (APB), a novel venture -- similar to a league -- scheduled to begin regular shows in the fall of 2013.

"We have signed many good, strong boxers," Wu told The AP. "What we offer is different from the current professional promoter. The boxers have a full protection. They have a good living, and a minimum number of bouts a year, and also a close affiliation with their national federation."

Lomachenko and his father, Anatoly -- also his longtime coach -- listened to professional promoters' offers in 2008 before deciding to stay in the amateur ranks after winning the Val Barker Trophy as the best Olympic boxer.

APB's connections with the amateur sport's national federations apparently were the key to landing Lomachenko and his teammates. Although any professional promoter would sign Lomachenko immediately, he appears more comfortable staying with his national federation and the nascent APB, which will allow its fighters to maintain Olympic eligibility while making money from professional bouts.

APB already has signed a lengthy list of veteran amateur talent, many from nations with no lucrative pro boxing structure. Wu intends to reserve 56 Olympic quota places for the top APB fighters, while regular professional boxers wouldn't be eligible for an Olympic shot.

Lomachenko's teammates also are among the world's best amateurs. Ukrainian light welterweight Denys Berinchyk and heavyweight Oleksandr Usyk both will fight for gold medals this weekend after winning their semifinal bouts Friday, while welterweight Taras Shelestyuk and light heavyweight Oleksandr Gvozdyk also are fighting for medals Friday night.

Lomachenko has stormed through the lightweight bracket in London, beating Cuba's Yasniel Toledo 14-11 in his semifinal bout. Lomachenko wouldn't comment on his APB deal immediately after his fight.

He will fight for his second gold medal Sunday against South Korea's Han Soon-chul.

APB fights will have little in common with the current amateur competition rules, a distinction likely to benefit the Ukrainians. Boxers won't wear protective headgear, and they'll fight under the traditional 10-point pro scoring system, rather than the computerized system that's on the way out of amateur boxing, in bouts that will be longer than the three-round amateur fights.

Although APB is still a work in progress with more than a year before its full launch, AIBA is attempting to create a standardized worldwide approach to turning amateur boxers into pro fighters in this notoriously fragmented sport. APB's boxers will get health insurance, salaries and regular professional dates -- at least three or four a year -- on television-friendly fight cards while maintaining their Olympic eligibility.

Ukraine placed a tournament-high five boxers in the Olympic semifinals, topping traditional amateur powers Cuba and Russia and even host Britain. And the Ukrainians don't fight the technical, sterile style of many elite amateur boxers: They like to mix it up, throwing big shots and using pure aggression where other amateurs use tactics and defense.

Berinchyk has been maybe the most crowd-pleasing fighter not from the British Isles in the Olympics, capping his impressive run through the light welterweight bracket with a thrilling 29-21 victory over Mongolia's Munkh-Erdene Uranchimeg on Friday.

Berinchyk doesn't try to pick apart his opponents with soft, point-scoring punches: He charges straight at them and doesn't stop, just as he did while forcing two standing-eight counts on Uranchimeg in the third round of his comeback victory.

The 6-foot-3 Usyk has been the most impressive heavyweight in a middling bunch in London. He will fight Italy's Clemente Russo, another APB signee, in the gold-medal bout.

http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/boxing/story/_/id/8256980/ukraine-vasyl-lomachenko-signs-pro-deal-aiba
 
That is AIBA Pro Boxing, not the World Series of Boxing. AIBA Pro hasn't even been launched yet.
 
It's not a pro debut, he's fighting in the World Series of Boxing. It's a new amateur system with 5 rounders, no headgear and a tenpoint must scoring system.

They are essentially pro fights, it's a great new setup.

Em, it is a pro-debut.

The ultimate arbiter of whether something is a pro bout or not is FightFax... and Fight Fax view WSoB events as professional contests. Hence the mess when a group of fighters from the first series turned pro and realised they they officially had 3-6 records.
 
Em, it is a pro-debut.

The ultimate arbiter of whether something is a pro bout or not is FightFax... and Fight Fax view WSoB events as professional contests. Hence the mess when a group of fighters from the first series turned pro and realised they they officially had 3-6 records.

If they're still eligible for the Olympics how is it pro fight. Especially considering its not sanctioned by any normal pro boxing governing body.


Anyway, I am curious to see how Lomenchenko will do in the pros. He's made quite a splash in the ammy scene but I can't help but feel he might not be the best pro. Things change when the headgear comes off.
 
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If they're still eligible for the Olympics how is it pro fight. Especially considering its not sanctioned by any normal pro boxing governing body.


Anyway, I am curious to see how Lomenchenko will do in the pros. He's made quite a splash in the many scene but I can't help but feel he might not be the best pro. Things change when the headgear comes off.

Because times are changing
 
If they're still eligible for the Olympics how is it pro fight. Especially considering its not sanctioned by any normal pro boxing governing body.


Anyway, I am curious to see how Lomenchenko will do in the pros. He's made quite a splash in the ammy scene but I can't help but feel he might not be the best pro. Things change when the headgear comes off.

Rules and times are changing. As soon as the AIBA gets it's professional body set up the vast majority of Olympians will be professional boxers. To quote a post I did for another place (albeit one looking at the funding of elite amateur boxing in the U.K.):

Boxing will be an interesting one to follow because of the mess/controversy currently going on in the world-wide sanctioning body (AIBA).

The system used to be relatively simple; take part in AIBA sanctioned amateur tournaments, win (or do well) in those and move on. Despite all the controversy that we've come to expect from amateur boxing (poor reffing, worse judging, multiple scoring systems none of which quite work etc etc), the system itself was simple. Win amateur tournaments, win qualification. It made sense for top level amateurs to be funded; after all they weren't getting paid for being an amateur boxer and funding makes a real difference (look at the comparative fortunes of the UK and the US... who have very little central funding or organisation).

But the AIBA has ambitions.

It's not content on being the governing body for "amateur" boxing; it wants to govern boxing itself. And it's never liked the idea of the most talented amateurs finding success and then immediately moving to the pro-ranks. It wants to hold on to its talent.

First came the World Series of Boxing, a sort of "semi-pro" league where boxers maintain their amateur status but box using rules (and scoring system) which are much closer to professional boxing then the current amateur game... and the boxers get paid. 2012 already saw the first boxers qualify via this route rather than the more conventional amateur system.

But the AIBA has still further ambitions.

It's currently in the process of setting up a professional boxing league. While ran in a similar format to amateur boxing (leagues, tournaments etc as opposed to one off bouts) the actual rules are virtually identical to professional boxing as we know it today (including 8 to 10 round bouts) and the boxers receive a good wage (and it has to be pretty damn good for the likes of John Joe Nevin and Vasyl Lomachenko to stay amateur as opposed to go pro... and the big signing bonuses that come with it). And the pro-boxers who compete here? They can still box at the Olympics.

In fact, AIBA intend for it to be the easiest way to get to the Olympics. As opposed to the current route it suggests that 10 Olympic qualifiers should come from the WSB and 56 from its new pro-league. Everyone else? Frozen out. AIBA is trying to stamp down its foot and use the big carrot it does have (the Olympics) to entice boxers away from both the traditional promoters and the traditional sanctioning bodies... and it appears to be happy to play dirty (see its suggestions that laws should be amended to make it the sole body responsible for any level of boxing).


Why does this matter?

Because boxing just got a lot of funding but clearly based on the traditional model. If "amateur" boxers are now getting paid a pretty penny for their amateur contests (and the AIBA has already said it will pick up much of the cost of the behind the scenes items) is there really any justification for millions of pounds to be paid in?

It's going to be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
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