2 points for opp. when I messed up the roll?

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There is a competition happening where I live in a couple weeks. One of the organizers invited some of the competitors to his gym for a seminar etc, so I went. Anyways we had some matches and I lost one of 3.

After the seminar it was time for the fights. My turn was up. I got the takedown into my opponents guard. Then I past his guard into side control, yeah I thought, I'm winning on points. My opponent managed to get into turtle position I quickly hooked his arm with my leg and rolled over him to go for a crucifix position but I messed up and he got his arm out. In the scramble I ended on top of him in his guard again. I heard the ref say 2 points. I asked the ref 2 points for who. He told me for my opponent cause he swept me. I argued I was the one who rolled. Anyways like an idiot I wasn't concentrating on my opponent and he ended up getting me in a deep triangle. I tried to escape but in the end I tapped. My opponent won fair and square but I was really upset with myself for a couple reasons. 1. I shouldn't of lost sight of my opponent on bottom 2. I wasn't able to escape the triangle. I'm glad this match happened as it was a great learning experience.

Anyways my question is, if my opponent is in turtle and I trap his arm and roll over him for a crucifix should he really have gotten 2 points for supposedly sweeping me?
 
We don't know what rules your match was running under so no one can give you a concrete answer. I've never actually read the IBJJF rules but i think that under IBJJF rules he wouldn't had gotten points because he didn't have any sort of guard established.
 
I would've thought maybe at a stretch a advantage both ways. No points scored though because you started the sequence on top, and ended the sequence on top
 
Foppa21 said:
I would've thought maybe at a stretch a advantage both ways. No points scored though because you started the sequence on top, and ended the sequence on top
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that's what I figured to. I think the ref turned away for a second and didn't see exactly what happened. Again as I said it was just a local gym fight. I probably will meet this guy again in competition in a couple weeks. I'm really nervous but I think I'll do good.
 
Refs sometimes make mistakes. The best thing you can take away from this is don't argue with the ref during the match. In IBJJF rules, that'll DQ you. In non-IBJJF rules, that'll let your opponent capitalize on your distraction. Work your game, try to finish, and if you need to dispute a call you can do it after time is up.
 
If it all happened really fast and no position was established than yes it could be a sweep
 
pesadissimo said:
Refs sometimes make mistakes. The best thing you can take away from this is don't argue with the ref during the match. In IBJJF rules, that'll DQ you. In non-IBJJF rules, that'll let your opponent capitalize on your distraction. Work your game, try to finish, and if you need to dispute a call you can do it after time is up.
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Yes exactly what I was thinking.

And like someone was suggesting on another thread I think I'm going to go read the rules before competing.
 
AwsomeX said:
If it all happened really fast and no position was established than yes it could be a sweep
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You may be right. I guess in competition one should be weary of the moves he goes for so as not to loose points.
 
Turtle is not a guard therefore you cannot do a sweep from turtle. It is called a reversal and you get nothing.
 
i have a question: if you are in turtle or under side control and you roll into a single leg and end on top do you get the takedown or sweep points?
what if you start from bottom half guard then into dog fight and stay in that ppsition for a while then you end on top woild you get the 2 points dogfight is not a guard?
if yoir oponent was the one to end on top would he get the 2 points?
 
Cconstandse said:
i have a question: if you are in turtle or under side control and you roll into a single leg and end on top do you get the takedown or sweep points?
what if you start from bottom half guard then into dog fight and stay in that ppsition for a while then you end on top woild you get the 2 points dogfight is not a guard?
if yoir oponent was the one to end on top would he get the 2 points?
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In general, if no points or advantages are awarded the players haven't left the "position".

As a side bar, one of my failures as a corner was not pointing out points for a position my teammate had attained. He was in guard, attacked with a omoplata. He literally sat in the omoplata position for 90 odd seconds trying to finish. In the end, he swept. I completely forgot that he initiated the movement from guard (and so did the referee) and nothing was awarded at all.
 
Q: i have a question: if you are in turtle or under side control and you roll into a single leg and end on top do you get the takedown or sweep points?

A: If you are in turtle and get a single leg takedown, it is not considered a sweep or a takedown. So nothing under ibjjf rules




Q: what if you start from bottom half guard then into dog fight and stay in that ppsition for a while then you end on top woild you get the 2 points dogfight is not a guard?

A: My understanding of the ibjjf rules is that as long as you keep your original grips from your half guard in order to sweep, it should be considered a sweep at the completion. You must stay on top for 3 sec.

Now I am not too familiar with your dog fight position. but if he passed your legs, It is deemed as he passed your guard and you get nothing.


Q: if yoir oponent was the one to end on top would he get the 2 points?

A: Not really, under ibjjf rules you cannot score points for taking down someone that is originally playing guard.
 
If you don't get the adv for making him turtle technically you never passed or got close to passing and he still has a guard. Bernardo Faria has one sweep were he is turtle but has a lapel annd finishes a takedown for a sweep
 
Did he feed the lapel between the leg from half guard and then went back on his knee to finish the sweep?
If that is so, then he retain the initial grip from the guard to compete the sweep.
 
I once choked a guy out as he argued with the ref. I lol'd so hard because he was on the way to a win since I was gassed out my mind
 
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