2 immigrants in US illegally are named to city commissions - yahoo

Outsource capital? for many reasons one of them is tax avoidance.

The dollars sent away by immigrants invariably go back to the US, since those countries economies are not that comeptitive

Dollars sent out of the country, go back into the US...Man..go play a civilization game and see how far you survive....Your liberal ideas are scary...no country can have a non speaking group that do nothing but work and send money out of the country with out bad consequences....

America was great for 1 reason and its gone downhill since open borders...bring in all the 3rd world people and the country will start to look that way...There is no primary language,...Culture in thin....pride in the country is non existent...

The strong are drooling over america because they became so weak...
 
Dollars sent out of the country, go back into the US...Man..go play a civilization game and see how far you survive....Your liberal ideas are scary...no country can have a non speaking group that do nothing but work and send money out of the country with out bad consequences....

America was great for 1 reason and its gone downhill since open borders...bring in all the 3rd world people and the country will start to look that way...There is no primary language,...Culture in thin....pride in the country is non existent...

The strong are drooling over america because they became so weak...
This exact argument has been made continuously for several hundred years now. Nativism arguments have not stood up to evidence.
 
I think the chances of history looking back on this era of US society with distaste and disgust are pretty strong.
 
I think the chances of history looking back on this era of US society with distaste and disgust are pretty strong.
In what way?
 
Dollars sent out of the country, go back into the US...Man..go play a civilization game and see how far you survive....Your liberal ideas are scary...no country can have a non speaking group that do nothing but work and send money out of the country with out bad consequences....

Currency from any country goes back to the country eventually, the risk is currency depreciation. Something the US dollar is not having troubles with.

America was great for 1 reason and its gone downhill since open borders...bring in all the 3rd world people and the country will start to look that way...There is no primary language,...Culture in thin....pride in the country is non existent...

LOL, so thats what you are really bitching about. At least call it like it is and dont hide under the "im worried about economics" BS.

The strong are drooling over america because they became so weak...

It became weak when corporations started to run the show.

Should have listened to the likes of Einsenhower.
 
Except most illegal aliens are low wage workers, and so they do NOT contribute to the state's tax base to anywhere near the degree they take from it.

They do not own property (hence no property taxes).

They do not make much in the way of income (so they pay little in the way of state income tax).

They do not own capital (and so do not pay capital gains taxes).

It's true they probably smoke and drink more than the average citizen, and so they will pay disproportionately more excise taxes on cigarettes and alcohol.

But, yeah, give them even more benefits ! That's the ticket to a smart, well-run society.

Bruh, I wasn't going to post anything but the second to last passage was probably the most absurd thing I've read in weeks.
For the record, I'm undocumented with a work permit thanks to the dreamer thing. I'm 22, been here since I was 4 months old, sup.

Undocumented folks are fucking poor. They certainly do not risk their lives and leave the only home they know to rape and pillage the US of it's benefits (whatever those are cause my folks never saw them). They come here bc living in a 1 or 2 bedroom apartment is alot better than sleeping on cold concrete with a sad excuse of a roof as cover.

My father is a chef, and a damn good underpaid one at that. We grew up poor, but I never went to bed hungry. My folks would explain how they grew up and it was shitty, very little material goods, little income prospects.

The only thing I remember my family ever getting for free was my brothers brain and heart surgeries. He has cerebral palsy, and had crippling epilepsy. They performed a split brain surgery at ucla I believe, idk i was like 5 or 6. But anyways, that's all I remember them getting for free.

I had decent grades and act scores in high school, like a 3.7 GPA and a 28 or whatever. I couldn't afford going to a university, again bc we were poor, receiving nothing for financial aid, no scholarships, and higher tuition rates. So yea, I spent alot of nights staring at my ceiling at 3 in the morning bc there was nothing for me. Can you imagine that at 18? Oh boy.

So I went into the work force out of high school with a VERY uncertain future. I was working at McDonald's for nearly 2yrs bc that's the only place that would hire me. About a year into being there, I decdied I'd go to trade school. Again, no financial aid or shit like that. Just the chump change I had gathered up from working. A two week salary was my monthly tuition payment lololol.

The school tried turning me away bc thru felt I wouldn't be able to get a job upon graduating. I refused to leave bc i was fed up working a shit job and just sort of rolled the dice.
6 months in and the whole work permit program was announced and when I finished I had jobs lined up.

2 years after graduating, I have my own business, and my school is literally 95% paid off. Again, with zero aid.

I am planning on buying a house for myself and my folks in Colorado within the next year. I smoke pot nightly, I assist my high school coaches with their wrestling program, and I get the same taxes taken out of my checks like any of you.
Illegals are people just like you. Albeit more poor and probably more desperate, but people no less.

It is kinda lame that I cannot own a gun tho. Chicago ain't no joke lmao.
 
This exact argument has been made continuously for several hundred years now. Nativism arguments have not stood up to evidence.

No way, dude.

19th century Ireland, Russia, Italy, Greece, were all rich, prosperous nations. And the tens of millions of immigrants that came pouring to the US from these countries were the cream of the crop.


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Here you can see Avram the chemist, Hiram the physician and Mordecai the electrical engineer. All ready to make the US a great and prosperous nation.
 
I'm not usually one for government mandates but an e-verify mandate for all private and public sector employers would be a serious step in the right direction. 1st time offenders are fined heavily, 2nd time offenders are thrown in jail.
 
Ahhh, so you want a country with an economic system where every low-wage job is handled by nationals and where companies, in search of ever-increasing profits, don't seek out poor foreign workers>

Sounds like Cuba or Soviet Russia are the places for you.

Who let the pin-headed boy into the adult discussion on economics?

We have tens of millions of American workers currently out of work. The labor force participation rate has never been lower in the last four decades. Low-wage illegal aliens undercut those American workers and potential workers. They drive down wages and/or take jobs.

I'm not joking, either. This is one of the few aspects where Cuba and the old USSR really were socialist.

Yes, that's the truly sad part, that you really aren't joking.

You realize, of course, that the United States, circa 1924 to 1965, also had this kind of labor market - and it worked out quite well for the native American workers. Even the Great Depression couldn't stop those forty years from being the most productive in U.S, economic history.

You do know that, of course, right? You are aware of your own country's economic history?

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Perhaps that's why there was such a widespread consensus in U.S. society about keeping foreign workers out. The immigration system was not opened up because of popular demand.

They were more concerned with every single citizen having work than with industries making more money so they kept all their jobs at home and brought virtually zero immigrant workers.

You are an idiot. The Soviet Union was an empire and an international economy, and empires by their nature have to allow in other workers. Are you under the dim impression that Soviet tanks and weapons were manufactured only by Russians? Or that Cuba's weapons were made at home?

But if you believe in good ol', rugged, individualist, 'Murican capitalism, then cheap labor from abroad is simply a reality you're gonna have to live with. It's been going on in the US for 200 years.

You have no idea what you're talking about because you are completely ignorant of your own country's history.
 
I'm just laughing my ass off at Possum Jenkins confidently stating that cheap labor from abroad has been going on for the past two hundred years.

But this is the problem with many young Americans, They are entirely ignorant of their own country's basic history. They grow up with this myth in their head about how the U.S. once operated and it has no relation to reality.
 
Your mental retardation could not possibly get any worse. Do you realize an undocumented immigrant living in the US gets FEWER BENEFITS AND ENTITLEMENTS than he would get if he were here legally.

The proper comparison, Mister Stephen Hawking, is not between the benefits and entitlements given to illegal and legal residents, but between those given to someone who is here illegally and someone who is not in the U.S. at all.

How many benefits and entitlements are paid to a Mexican who lives in Mexico? How much does the state spend on his health, education and welfare? How much do they cost our criminal justice system?

Zero?

Well, there you go, dumpkoff.

And rightly so. Certainly much less than any citizen would get that was earning at the same level. Also-Rightly so. They should pay the same, and they should get less. Which is exactly what they do.

What wonderful, high-minded rhetoric. Unfortunately, it's completely irrelevant. An illegal shouldn't be turned into a legal resident and given more entitlements; he shouldn't be here at all.

Try to think before posting.
 
You are the first person ever, seriously, to bring this up as a problem. Migrants all over the world, legal or not, send home money. This is a significant portion of the income in many countries. Take the Philippines as an example.

http://www.colorado.edu/news/releas...rkers-major-economic-boost-developing-nations

It boosts the economies there and does two things:

1) it reduces the pressure to migrate for people living there (which is an important factor for first world countries)
2) it enables the people in these countries to buy Western products (which is an important factor for first world countries)

It's much worse when Grandma keeps her money in the piggy bank and completely withdraws the money from circulation.


It is very bad for our(US) economy for millions of immigrants to send money out of the country. That is a fact. Its naive to deny it. And are you making an argument for it because its good for the third world country it gets sent to ? Cause that would be a ridiculous argument. Sorry but who gives a flying fuq if its good for their country of origin when its hurting our(US) countries economy.
 
This is not the article posted in the thread. If you were talking about things not being discussed, then point the link.

I already told you, Goober, that I gleaned it from other articles about the same news item. Unlike you, I don't feel compelled to speak definitively about some newsworthy topic after reading just one source about it.

And last time i checked illegals dont vote.

How would you know? California just requires a drivers' license on polling day to vote.

Besides,the Hispanics born in California over the last two generations, and thus automatically made into US citizens, have frequently been the children of illegal aliens.

So Huntington Park is using illegal aliens to fill the same spots that the children of illegal aliens won't fill. The Mexican-American population is so apathetic as citizens that we are now required to look abroad for solutions to their apathy.


I never said such a thing.

You did say it, right in this thread. You slimed your fellow Americans - Hispanic-Americans, I might add - by saying they were too entitled and lazy to fill some unsalaried commission spots.

What you didn't understand is that those two illegal aliens who were put into those slots are simply covering for their fellow apathetic co-ethnics, who are also usually derived from previous generations of illegal aliens.

You're in a vicious cycle and you have no idea how to get out of it.

So Hispanic =/= American? LOL glad to see your true colors.

They were your colors, bud.

You're the one who criticized Huntington Park as being filled with "entitled bitches" who don't contribute. Well, who are those people? Oh, yeah, they are the sons and daughters of illegal aliens.
 
LOL, so hispanics are not native-born American? Why are racist idiots so fucking spineless and not call shit like it is?

I did call it like it was. Hispanic-Americans exemplify the lack of civic virtue that you denigrated in your fellow Americans when you praised the decision by Huntington Park to use two illegal aliens to fill what should be the spots of citizens.

So you unwittingly directed your harsh censure at the very demographic of Americans from which those two illegal aliens were drawn, their fellow ethnics, who are usually the sons and daughters of illegals themselves.

Hey, maybe you're showing latent evidence of being a racist yourself when you call those Hispanic-Americans "lazy" and "entitled bitches."
 
Yet, all the major candidates are prostituting themselves for the latino vote, go figure it yourself.

Politicians aren't the smartest bunch. Like you, they aren't capable of basic arithmetic.

And remind me again who is currently leading the GOP primary race?
 
This exact argument has been made continuously for several hundred years now. Nativism arguments have not stood up to evidence.

Herr Dochter likes to make these grand pronouncements about history like he's Karl Marx or George Hegel.

Of course he has no idea what he's talking about.
 
I understand what illegal means. I also understand that it does not matter in this instance.

So what if they are here illegally? Or undocumented. Or whatever label you choose. We have taken a decision as a nation that we are not going arbitrarily deport them. You realize summary deportation to a country a person barely has a memory of ever living in is not the only way to deal with illegal immigration, right? RIGHT????? When someone speeds we don't take their car away right out of the gate do we? These kids probably got here when they were 4. What country would you deport him back to? Their parents country? It may have been their parents country at some point, but it's certainly not theirs.

If they are here, Why would we want to prevent them from working for the public good in exchange for $0. Especially since Americans in the area seem to be unwilling or incapable of participating.



Tell ya what. If it chafes your vag that much, head on over there and drum up some patriotic Americans willing to volunteer, then hit me back and I will get out my picket sign.

We have absolutely not made the decision as a nation that we arent going to deport them. Most Americans think illegals should be deported. And why wouldnt most Americans feel that way ? Its our treasonous administration that puts the rights of illegal aliens over the rights of American citizens. And people like you that give them the power to do it.
 
Bruh, I wasn't going to post anything but the second to last passage was probably the most absurd thing I've read in weeks.
For the record, I'm undocumented with a work permit thanks to the dreamer thing. I'm 22, been here since I was 4 months old, sup.

Undocumented folks are fucking poor. They certainly do not risk their lives and leave the only home they know to rape and pillage the US of it's benefits (whatever those are cause my folks never saw them). They come here bc living in a 1 or 2 bedroom apartment is alot better than sleeping on cold concrete with a sad excuse of a roof as cover.

My father is a chef, and a damn good underpaid one at that. We grew up poor, but I never went to bed hungry. My folks would explain how they grew up and it was shitty, very little material goods, little income prospects.

The only thing I remember my family ever getting for free was my brothers brain and heart surgeries. He has cerebral palsy, and had crippling epilepsy. They performed a split brain surgery at ucla I believe, idk i was like 5 or 6. But anyways, that's all I remember them getting for free.

I had decent grades and act scores in high school, like a 3.7 GPA and a 28 or whatever. I couldn't afford going to a university, again bc we were poor, receiving nothing for financial aid, no scholarships, and higher tuition rates. So yea, I spent alot of nights staring at my ceiling at 3 in the morning bc there was nothing for me. Can you imagine that at 18? Oh boy.

So I went into the work force out of high school with a VERY uncertain future. I was working at McDonald's for nearly 2yrs bc that's the only place that would hire me. About a year into being there, I decdied I'd go to trade school. Again, no financial aid or shit like that. Just the chump change I had gathered up from working. A two week salary was my monthly tuition payment lololol.

The school tried turning me away bc thru felt I wouldn't be able to get a job upon graduating. I refused to leave bc i was fed up working a shit job and just sort of rolled the dice.
6 months in and the whole work permit program was announced and when I finished I had jobs lined up.

2 years after graduating, I have my own business, and my school is literally 95% paid off. Again, with zero aid.

I am planning on buying a house for myself and my folks in Colorado within the next year. I smoke pot nightly, I assist my high school coaches with their wrestling program, and I get the same taxes taken out of my checks like any of you.
Illegals are people just like you. Albeit more poor and probably more desperate, but people no less.

It is kinda lame that I cannot own a gun tho. Chicago ain't no joke lmao.

According to your account, the U.S. paid for your education and it paid for your family's very expensive surgeries that you almost certainly would not have been able to pay for in your country of origin, and yet you have the nerve to sit here and tell me that the U.S. didn't give you anything?

Remember: Your family didn't belong here. Anything it and you got in the U.S. were gifts from the American people.

But instead of being grateful for what you did get as a non-citizen, you complain to us for not giving you more. Typical welfare mentality.
 
No way, dude.

19th century Ireland, Russia, Italy, Greece, were all rich, prosperous nations. And the tens of millions of immigrants that came pouring to the US from these countries were the cream of the crop.


the-aging-crisis-prone-welfare-state-must-confront-the-problem-of-welfare-migration.jpg


Here you can see Avram the chemist, Hiram the physician and Mordecai the electrical engineer. All ready to make the US a great and prosperous nation.

Of course what Possum Jenkins doesn't realize is that the surge of immigrants which arrived in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries did cause problems, and as a result the U.S. passed laws which cut immigration back dramatically.

Of course Possum Jenkins doesn't know this because he is ignorant of his own country's history, but he might want to look up the 1924 Immigration Act and its effect on subsequent immigration.

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I already told you, Goober, that I gleaned it from other articles about the same news item. Unlike you, I don't feel compelled to speak definitively about some newsworthy topic after reading just one source about it.

Really? which post again?

How would you know? California just requires a drivers' license on polling day to vote.

Do you have any evidence or just wild speculations?

So Huntington Park is using illegal aliens to fill the same spots that the children of illegal aliens won't fill. The Mexican-American population is so apathetic as citizens that we are now required to look abroad for solutions to their apathy.

Yes the American citizens are more apathetic than the illegal kids because they take the country for granted since they lived there.

Isnt that what we are discussing?

You did say it, right in this thread. You slimed your fellow Americans - Hispanic-Americans, I might add - by saying they were too entitled and lazy to fill some unsalaried commission spots.

Again, the positions were abandoned until they started to take virtually anyone, and its not because Americans are apathetic, its because its natural for people to take shit they were born under for granted.

What you didn't understand is that those two illegal aliens who were put into those slots are simply covering for their fellow apathetic co-ethnics, who are also usually derived from previous generations of illegal aliens.

You're in a vicious cycle and you have no idea how to get out of it.

LOL, still swimming in circles right? you dont give a fuck about the citizens vs non-citizens argument, all you care is about WASP vs Hispanic. So start calling it like it is.

They were your colors, bud.

You're the one who criticized Huntington Park as being filled with "entitled bitches" who don't contribute. Well, who are those people? Oh, yeah, they are the sons and daughters of illegal aliens.

They are certainly not my colors, and yes, the sons and daughter that didnt had to leave a country and a life to get into a foreign country to try and make shit better for their family are more entitled than the parents? Seriously? Its a story as old as history itself.

But go ahead, im not playing your stupid game and making it about race or ethnicity.
 
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