2 immigrants in US illegally are named to city commissions - yahoo

[Scrody]

Nice and stupid, but what do we expect from California these days.

 

[Cold Front]

No, you didnt, you would have realized that

1.- They didnt got an stipend because they were illegals, they are working for free.

2.- The only reason they offered the job to illegals is because these volunteer jobs were long abandoned, nobody showed up, they werent picked over other people.

You didnt read the article, this is not some agenda or a spearhead conspiracy, its literally 2 undocumented guys (which came to the country as kids) doing some volunteering work that was offered to anyone willing to take it, because nobody was doing it.

One even volunteered for the red cross, do you bitch about that too? would you bitch if an old lady fell down and an illegal picked her up?

And in the end, its not the Mayor problem that his city is filled with illegals. Better to have them pull their weight than doing nothing because it might offend some people.

On rereading the article, the only part I might be incorrect about is that the two men will receive the stipend. The rest of my remarks were accurate, even if gleaned from other sources than the one provided here.

The politician made a campaign promise about assigning illegal aliens to the commission and expanding their opportunities months ago. Those tow me also worked on the politician's campaign, which doesn't exactly seem like the disinterested assigning of positions to two real nice boys that you want to portray it as.

And who gives a shit what they previously volunteered for, assuming you can even verify it? Stop pretending like you know these men. You don't. The only thing you know for sure is that they are illegal and have received an official if unpaid government position.

And the reason that community doesn't have enough volunteers in the first place is because it is largely made up of the kind of Latinos (illegals and the next generation) who make for such poor citizens to begin with. Most of them should never have been allowed to come here. You don't solve that problem with a "hair of the dog" strategy (i.e., we need more illegals to volunteer for our illegals who won't volunteer).

 

[cooks1]

Given the wages they likely make they would pay almost nothing in income tax, which you'll notice I didn't mention. Illegals and other people making low wages end up paying a far higher percentage of their salary in the form of sales tax though.

Damn straight. 2 poor American citizens with 2 kids making $40K between them are probably netting an annual profit from Uncle Sam in the area of $3000-$3500. And I am in no way against that. I am just reporting that as fact.

The vast, VAST majority of illegal immigrants are in no way tax dodgers. It is complete idiocy for anyone to try and argue that.

 

[Cold Front]

They are low wage workers but that doesn't mean they take more than they contribute.

Yeah, it does, especially when they take the jobs or depress the wages of other low-wage workers who happen to be American citizens.

You do care about those people, don't you?

I wonder if property taxes are effectively paid on their behalf...

Why? Because you mistakenly think that two large families living together in a hovel is a good revenue source for property taxes?

Look, it's simple.

Most revenue for California's schools comes from three sources 1) the general revenue fund, two-thirds of which is derived from personal and corporate income taxes, 2) property taxes, which illegals aren't paying to nearly the same degree as citizens, and 3) the federal government, which illegals pay even less into because of the high marginal income tax break for poor people.

Sure. So? Do only the well off matter?

No, unemployed Americans matter, too. Perhaps you haven't noticed but we have a jobless recovery in which many Americans have just given up looking for work.

They probably eat, wear clothes, buy gas and do all kinds of other crazy things with their money!

Yes, the illegal alien demographic is big on buying clothes ! Big, big spenders.

Most of them work and spend as little as they can. There's not much margin for discretionary spending when you're responsible for sending remittances back home on a low wage job.

I'm actually not in total disagreement that illegals shouldn't have access to all the benefits but if you're just going to derp out...

I have no idea what "derp" even means. But what has been explained to you that in-state tuition for kids whose parents don't pay taxes to support California's education system is a losing proposition for the state's citizens.

 

[Cold Front]

Damn straight. 2 poor American citizens with 2 kids making $40K between them are probably netting an annual profit from Uncle Sam in the area of $3000-$3500. And I am in no way against that. I am just reporting that as fact.

The vast, VAST majority of illegal immigrants are in no way tax dodgers. It is complete idiocy for anyone to try and argue that.

Dummkopf.

No one said anything about dodging. Most illegal aliens simply don't make enough under the present tax system to pay for the educational, welfare, and health benefits they receive here.

 

[Rod1]

On rereading the article, the only part I might be incorrect about is that the two men will receive the stipend. The rest of my remarks were accurate, even if gleaned from other sources than the one provided here.

No, they werent

The politician made a campaign promise about assigning illegal aliens to the commission and expanding their opportunities months ago. Those tow me also worked on the politician's campaign, which doesn't exactly seem like the disinterested assigning of positions to two real nice boys that you want to portray it as.

Quote the part of the article that backs up the BS you are telling.

And who gives a shit what they previously volunteered for, assuming you can even verify it? Stop pretending like you know these men. You don't. The only thing you know for sure is that they are illegal and have received an official if unpaid government position.

LOL, because who the fucks gives away free help? are you that retarded?

And the reason that community doesn't have enough volunteers in the first place is because it is largely made up of the kind of Latinos (illegals and the next generation) who make for such poor citizens to begin with. Most of them should never have been allowed to come here. You don't solve that problem with a "hair of the dog" strategy (i.e., we need more illegals to volunteer for our illegals who won't volunteer).

What you said made no-sense, "latinos dont want to help but illegal latinos want to help?" More like citizens are entitled bitches, they dont want to help, but dont want other people to help because reasons.

You are just mad that some undocumented people show far more patriotism and love for America than actual citizens.

 

[Cold Front]

Wow- This post is so full of wrong I don't even know where to begin.

WTF dude??? You think some undocumented worker getting paid minimum wage or less is somehow dodging income tax? Have you ever even filed an income tax return in your short life. At least I'm hoping it's short, because this level of idiocy should not be tolerated past high school or so.

First off, Half of the people in the US pay 0 income tax. Secondly, pretty much any American family with children making less than about $50K collectively is not only paying 0 Federal income tax, but they are probably getting cash back from Uncle Sam due to the EITC.

So the vast, VAST majority of illegal immigrants are paying no less income tax than they would be if they were working legally.

If an illegal immigrant somehow managed to buy a house, they would pay property tax. And if they were renting, the landlord would factor property tax into the rent he charged, just like he would if the renter was an American citizen. It's no different.

The majority of Americans do not pay capital gains tax, because every penny they earn is spent.

They pay sales tax on everything they buy just as everyone else does.

Trying to argue against illegal immigration on the basis that they do not pay taxes is retarded and silly.

They don't pay taxes to the same degree they receive benefits and displace native-born low-wage workers.

I've already explained the revenue sources for education in California, but here it is again in two nice pie charts to illustrate it.

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Now your argument is that because we have dysfunctional Americans at home already, we should add to them by bringing in more dysfunctional foreign workers to replace them.

I don't think you've thought through that strategy.

And here's another difference between low-wage American workers and low-wage foreign workers. Low-wage American workers don't need to send remittances abroad. They invest in themselves here at home.

Those are the people who have been displaced or seen their wages impacted by low-wage foreign workers.

 

[Cold Front]

No, they werent

Yes, they were. And I'm still not sure that the stipends won't be paid.

Quote the part of the article that backs up the BS you are telling.

Here, dufus, read it and weep:

Some critics say Pineda, who joined the council in March, specifically picked Medina and Zatarain because they worked on his campaign. Others say they don

 

[Cold Front]

Huntington Park is 97 percent Hispanic and packed to the gills with illegal aliens who show no civic virtues, but to Rodney it's native-born Americans' fault for having to use two illegal aliens to fill government positions.

Is Rodney even aware of the voting rates for Hispanic-Americans?

 

[Cold Front]

Can't you feel the strong desire for citizenship, Rodney?

And I bet it's even lower for Mexican-Americans.

 

[Cold Front]

What do you think, Rodkins? Is thirty percent showing up in the midterms good enough for you?

 

[Possum Jenkins]

And here's another difference between low-wage American workers and low-wage foreign workers. Low-wage American workers don't need to send remittances abroad. They invest in themselves here at home.

Those are the people who have been displaced or seen their wages impacted by low-wage foreign workers.

Ahhh, so you want a country with an economic system where every low-wage job is handled by nationals and where companies, in search of ever-increasing profits, don't seek out poor foreign workers>

Sounds like Cuba or Soviet Russia are the places for you.

I'm not joking, either. This is one of the few aspects where Cuba and the old USSR really were socialist. They were more concerned with every single citizen having work than with industries making more money so they kept all their jobs at home and brought virtually zero immigrant workers.

But if you believe in good ol', rugged, individualist, 'Murican capitalism, then cheap labor from abroad is simply a reality you're gonna have to live with. It's been going on in the US for 200 years.

 

[panamaican]

The question is are they more reliable and trustworthy than the current people if so they may stay but if they are corrupt...........deport. :icon_lol:

The very fact that they're here is proof that they're corrupt, lol.

 

[cooks1]

Dummkopf.

No one said anything about dodging. Most illegal aliens simply don't make enough under the present tax system to pay for the educational, welfare, and health benefits they receive here.

Your mental retardation could not possibly get any worse. Do you realize an undocumented immigrant living in the US gets FEWER BENEFITS AND ENTITLEMENTS than he would get if he were here legally. And rightly so. Certainly much less than any citizen would get that was earning at the same level. Also-Rightly so. They should pay the same, and they should get less. Which is exactly what they do.

Undocumented immigrants are not eligible for the EITC, which pays THOUSANDS to a family. You have to file a federal tax return to get it, and they can't.

At any income level $50K or under, an undocumented immigrant will pay the same in taxes as a US citizen, in exchange for fewer benefits and rights.

Now, if you want to talk about changing the present tax system, that would be just fine. Raise sales taxes. Either on their own or in conjunction with corresponding property tax decreases. Preferably also in conjunction also with increased income and capital gains taxes on incomes over 10 million a year.

 

[Rod1]

Yes, they were. And I'm still not sure that the stipends won't be pai

Here, dufus, read it and weep:

This is not the article posted in the thread. If you were talking about things not being discussed, then point the link. And last time i checked illegals dont vote.

Great, now Rodney thinks we need to import illegal aliens for charitable work. Apparently charitable work is something that other Americans just won't do.

I never said such a thing.

There you go, Rodney, get your hate on for Americans. They're entitled bitches who don't want to help. Let's forget that 97 percent of Huntington Park is Hispanic and a heavy percentage of those are illegal aliens. But yeah it's the Americans who are responsible for the lack of civic-mindedness in Huntington Park.

Can't you feel that hate, baby?

So Hispanic =/= American? LOL glad to see your true colors.

Yeah, that's it. They're just full of love for their country, just like you are, buuitch.

These particular 2 seem to, since nobody was picking those positions.

 

[Rod1]

Huntington Park is 97 percent Hispanic and packed to the gills with illegal aliens who show no civic virtues, but to Rodney it's native-born Americans' fault for having to use two illegal aliens to fill government positions.

Is Rodney even aware of the voting rates for Hispanic-Americans?

LOL, so hispanics are not native-born American? Why are racist idiots so fucking spineless and not call shit like it is?

 

[Rod1]

Can't you feel the strong desire for citizenship, Rodney?

And I bet it's even lower for Mexican-Americans.

Yet, all the major candidates are prostituting themselves for the latino vote, go figure it yourself.

 

[Bloodworth]

LOL, immigrants send what? like 10% of their earnings that amount to like 10-20 billions dollars a year? 0.1% of the US GDP? Also that money is directly used to buy american products and services.

If you really want to get mad at capital fleeing the country, then bring it to the corporations that control the US government, these people have outsourced trillions of dollars.

Why do companies outsource? Because of strict gov laws. Why do illegals outsource. They don't plan on retiring in America. No taxes in their country, dollar goes much farther.
How much do illegals get in tax credits for children. 3 kids, make under 50 grand, gov gives them over 10 grand every year.
They Are Getting More Then they are putting in.
But you say that prevents them from migrating illegally, lol

 

[woodguyatl]

Given the wages they likely make they would pay almost nothing in income tax, which you'll notice I didn't mention. Illegals and other people making low wages end up paying a far higher percentage of their salary in the form of sales tax though.

The ones I know work for themselves and make $220/day each. They do good work and are booked solid many months out. It is a 5-man crew that does construction/repair type work. I've suggested they pay taxes but they don't. I understand that they may not be the norm.

 

[Rod1]

Why do companies outsource? Because of strict gov laws. Why do illegals outsource. They don't plan on retiring in America. No taxes in their country, dollar goes much farther.
How much do illegals get in tax credits for children. 3 kids, make under 50 grand, gov gives them over 10 grand every year.
They Are Getting More Then they are putting in.
But you say that prevents them from migrating illegally, lol

Outsource capital? for many reasons one of them is tax avoidance.

The dollars sent away by immigrants invariably go back to the US, since those countries economies are not that comeptitive