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1st Diet reveals poorer than thought physique

Discussion in 'Dieting / Supplement Discussion' started by RedRover, May 15, 2014.

  1. scottm Green Belt

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    Just a few quick notes ... First SeriouslyDead was right as usual, you made good progress.

    Next, remember it is all about energy balance. Keto is not the way for everyone ...

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9094871
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21621801


    Since I saw someone mention "clean" eating I'm going to leave you with some reading because I swing from Alan Aragon's nuts...
    http://www.wannabebig.com/diet-and-nutrition/the-dirt-on-clean-eating/
    http://www.liftbigeatbig.com/2013/12/the-clean-eating-myth-why-insulin-isnt.html

    Finally my recommendation is to increase your lifting intensity. The BBB spinoff of 531 that StupidityKills recommended is a great one. LBEB has some good programming available, similarly anything like Starting Strength, 531, or a 5x5 will help.
     
  2. Seriously-Dead wubbalubbadubdub

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    Holy fucking shit people like grndzo are missing the point.

    Fuck the diet and exercise advice - whatever this guy is doing is working EXACTLY like it should. He lost 17lbs in 12 weeks - over 1lb a week with a high calorie intake, no overly crazy dieting practices, and a busy schedule. His skinfold measurements showed improvement from his baseline. WHAT HE ACCOMPLISHED IS PERFECT. DO NOT FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN.

    The only thing he needs to be told is to keep doing what he's doing, with the exception of being more patient. The body will come in time. If you haven't hit your goal in 6-12 months, and stalled out completely, then come back and ask for help.

    Fucking iatrogenics, yo.
     
  3. Pathogenic Wo Cao Ni Ma

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    Good progress. I agree with Seriously-Dead.

    You are not 10%, my friend. While skin fold tests and electronic scales are reasonably close, they can be off by a lot in some people, and you and I are both examples of this. You're about 15-16% in the picture in the initial post, but you don't look fat or anything.

    Try not to get discouraged by this fact. Living healthy is a lifestyle, not a sprint. Fuck, it takes me at least 20 weeks to recover my body composition from binge eating in the fall and winter.
     
  4. grndzro Purple Belt

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    Something wrong with giving advice?
    What is wrong with giving possible avenues of improvement?
    Did I piss in your Wheaties or something?
    What point did I miss or not address? The exact point that you are making?
    If I don't just nod my head and say listen to SD?

    I am trying to help. Why attack the messenger?
    If you have a problem with what I posted please pick it out. I'll defend it with proof, or eat crow.
     
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  5. Seriously-Dead wubbalubbadubdub

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    No, this is wrong. Glucose is the superior fuel for muscle. That's why muscle stores it more so than anything (yes, even fat). Glycogen stores saturate muscle tissue, resulting in increased performance and recovery.

    Holy crap, lol. This is even wrong by the "keto theory". Whey is much more insulinogenic than casein, meaning it inhibits fat oxidation much more than casein.

    In not-fairy-tale land, casein actually has some detriments for PWO recovery, making whey the superior choice - but not for the reasons you stated.

    Caffeine is not a vasoconstrictor. It is a vasodialotor, and many of it's breakdown products (ie: theobromine) are very potent vasodialotors. Wrong again.

    http://www.hindawi.com/journals/ijvm/2010/834060/

    Also lol at taking fucking asthma meds to workout. Jesus christ you need to stop posting.

    WRONG WRONG WRONG. The inhibition of lipolysis due to insulin does not "stop fat burning for days" your body still burns plenty of fat when insulin is pumping out - it just stops secreting it from fat cells. Then your body clears fat from the bloodstream BECAUSE IT IS BURNING IT. This helps actually promote insulin sensitivity in the long wrong, as non-esterified fatty acids (NEFAs) eventually promote insulin resistance. The hallmark of type 2 diabetes is that this insulin inhibition of lipolysis is completely inhibited, which leads to lots of the nasty side effects and lack of glycemic and lipolitic control in diabetics.

    what.the.fuck. You don't get any results unless you damage muscle. You can damage it from moderate workouts, and from intense ones. As long as you can recover from them, people generally gain even more strength and get just as much hypertrophy doing more intense workouts with maximal weights.


    You should just stop posting, and instead take a backseat. You have way too much to learn to pretend that you have worthwhile knowledge to share. At this point, you are doing more harm than good.

    Congrats on your recent weight loss, but that does not make you an expert yet.
     
  6. StupidityKills Green Belt

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    If I wanted to look my muscular than I do now it wouldn't hurt to look at my program and make some improvements if I thought it made sense. Suggesting he have a look at BBB is hardly bad advice, and he is free to read and disregard it if he so chooses.
     
  7. Seriously-Dead wubbalubbadubdub

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    Don't worry broseph, we're all good. I wasn't aiming anything at you. BBB is solid stuff.
     
  8. grndzro Purple Belt

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    Forget what you think you know. Go look shit up.
    Provide links/Proof
     
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  9. RedRover Orange Belt

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    UPDATE :
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    I took this one after a workout one day after the original pic was taken. This is a bit of a separate question but do you think I still have the same composition/work ahead after comparing a flat picture to a "pumped" picture? Does the bf% look the same to you guys with the trained eye?

    I'll be honest the argument between grndzro and Seriously-Dead has me confused and not knowing what tweaks I should make. I think for now I will just continue on what I'm doing for the next few days since as S-D mentioned that I have had made good progress in my 12 weeks.

    My diet "officially" ends in about 1 week and I'm really hoping to shift gears into something different but the old expression "if it ain't broke don't fix it" has me thinking I shouldn't?
     
  10. Contempt black belt in couch-fu

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    I would still say you are ~15% is BF. Just keep doing what you are doing as long as you are still making progress. 17lbs in 12 weeks is a top effort.

    If like me you work your butt off and haven't seen any real progress in 3-6 months then you can look at changing it up but as you said, if it ain't broke...
     
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    nutrition guys become anal pretty quickly in these threads haha
     
  12. mtruitt76 Purple Belt

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    Focus on tweaking your lifting routine. You are losing about over a lb a week which is a great pace to minimize muscle lose during the diet. Without enough underlying muscle you could end up hitting a low body fat percentage without achieving the "athletic" look you are going for.
     
  13. scottm Green Belt

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    2 things.
    First, OP please stop posting selfies.

    Second, grndo you should really learn to check your facts before you start arguing. What are your credentials? Internet connoisseur? Maybe you should take a second and learn why SeriouslyDead's input holds credence while yours does not ... http://dyenutrition.wordpress.com/about/
     
  14. Seriously-Dead wubbalubbadubdub

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    First off - only a single one of those links was a scientific paper. The rest were just comical in that you think they're valid.

    The gymnast study you posted? Yeah, I've been around the block and I've already written a short synopsis to describe how that study had nothing to do with ketosis at all. You can check it out here: http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/82911763-post37.html

    Other than that, I'm not wasting my time arguing with you. Luckily the guy in this thread didn't listen to your advice, and I'll be around in other threads to make sure no one else does either.
     
  15. magick Green Belt

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    As Seriously-Dead wrote, you did great in your diet.

    Now look to start gaining muscle.

    Read this-
    http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sports_body_training_performance/the_truth_about_bulking

    To get a better understanding of how muscle gain works and a baseline of how much you need to eat. That being said, since you're losing weight at 3k calories a day, I'd imagine CT's calorie advice may not fit you. Just stick ideally a 1lb a week gain of bw.

    As for strength training-You never mentioned how much you actually lift besides that you almost hit a 1k total with the three powerlifting lifts.

    I'd say drop all the things you do and go back to doing SS. Just don't aim to gain monstrous amounts of weight. 1lb a week is more than fine.

    And going to failure is generally bad. Try to avoid it.
     
  16. RedRover Orange Belt

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    Great article, really put a lot of the questions and concerns I have/had into perspective. I just need to keep(and improve) my habits of eating clean and working out regularly and in time it will come.

    Thanks for that

    ....edited:
    As for my lifts;
    (the PR were from ~2 yrs ago at higher bw)

    Deadlift (PR 440#) Last set I pulled was 345x3

    Squat (PR 330#) Last time I squat was 235x5

    Bench (PR 220#) with flat back, no arch, no "tight lats" max probably only 175. With "bench technique" 210 (maxed a couple weeks ago)

    Overhead Press: max 130?

    I can do 10 wide grip pull ups.

    Pretty weak but know that I'm in the top echelon of flexibility so I don't get the bonus in lifts with an eccentric and concentric phase that nonflexible people get. Also I have a horrible body for any upper body "leveraged" lift, because of a wide flat chest and long arms. (i have a 76.5" reach, at 6'). My ROM is significantly larger than average on all the pressing(and many pulling) movements. (I do realize this is an advantage in dead lifts, long arms lowering my ROM required to complete a rep. This is probably the reason I can do more comparatively)
     
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  17. Goat Meal Shhh Belt

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    So, first of all I think you look pretty lean. You're not 10% but it's not like your abs are entirely covered in fat either. There's definition there but I understand you want your abs to be more defined. I'm in the same boat; the difference between us is I'd be tickled as shit to have your stomach right now (nohomo as they say).

    I agree with two things that have been said here. One, I've done some reading on BBB and as soon as I determine my 1RMes I will be starting it. From what I've heard and read it's a fantastic way to train. Two, you'd probably be fine with just continuing to let your work "do work". You've made a lot of progress and there's no reason to suspect you're nearing a plateau. I'd let another 12-16 weeks go by and then re-evaluate. Unfortunately 3-4 months from now won't be pool/beach season (which I'm assuming is part of the reason why you wanted abs) but the upside is you'll probably look damn-near just muscle, bone, and ligaments next summer.

    In sum: keep up the good work.
     

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