1000s of Indian Illegal Immigrants Cross US-Mexico Border, Mostly Young Males, Released into USA

[HockeyBjj]

Work ethic, honoring family, honoring the morals of the Bible that our ancestors brought over to this country, freedoms and a small govt.

Other cultures typically bring the corruption and immorality with them from their messed up country. And they vote for bigger govt with less freedom.

Are you actually Ripskater back? Or is admitting to being a previously banned poster (even a self inflicted banning) cause for new account to be banned so you can't say?

Jonny Mac was annoying. The actual Ripskater returned would be welcomed imo

 

[salamander]

Work ethic, honoring family, honoring the morals of the Bible that our ancestors brought over to this country, freedoms and a small govt.

Other cultures typically bring the corruption and immorality with them from their messed up country. And they vote for bigger govt with less freedom.

I try to be neutral, and not talk shit about your president (due to the fact that my Prime Minister is Trudeau) but every time I see the dude he has golf club in his hand. I'm also aware that several members of his team are under investigation, some of them are apparently going down for corruption.

As for immorality; how moral is it for a married man to fuck pornstar prostitutes and pay them off, in addition to being an Inveterate liar? How is being almost cartoonishly vainglorious in conduct and predictably wrathful in speech, honoring the morals of the bible?

My point with these questions is that the man you voted for in no way remembles or encompasses any of the traits that you value. The threat from the slavering dark-skinned hordes that are banging on the gates of Camelot just might be overstated. This isn't an opinion, this is just an observable fact.

What's the greater sin; wilful hypocrisy or organic stupidity?

 

[Ripskater]

I try to be neutral, and not talk shit about your president (due to the fact that my Prime Minister is Trudeau) but every time I see the dude he has golf club in his hand. I'm also aware that several members of his team are under investigation, some of them are apparently going down, for corruption.

As for immorality, how moral is it for a married man to fuck pornstar prostitutes and pay them off, in addition to being an Inveterate liar? How is being almost cartoonishly vainglorious, and predictably wrathful in speech honoring the morals of the bible?

My point with these questions is that the man you voted for in no way remembles or encompasses any of the traits that you deem to be under threat from the slavering dark-skin hordes that are banging on the gates of Camelot. This isn't an opinion, this is just an observable fact.

What's the greater sin; wilful hypocrisy or organic stupidity?

Trump has been a very immoral man in his marriages. But he is standing for religious freedom. That's what we want. And we want to keep our nation sovereign. We don't want other nations telling us what to do and we don't want Islam and failed culture coming here.

Hillary told us Christians that we needed to change our religious beliefs on abortion. Sorry lady, we aren't voting for that.

 

[panamaican]

So by randomly making it harder for highly skilled immigrants to get visas legally, those individuals are attempting to enter the country illegally? It's almost as if an action undertaken out of malice has resulted in negative consequences.

Also, when some people kept going on about stopping illegal immigration and only seeking highly skilled immigrants because of what they can add to our country compared to the random lottery, this H1-B situation would suggest that position isn't quite true. I'm against illegal immigration but way too frequently, I'm seeing people who claim to be anti-illegal immigration publicly to justify support for anti-all immigration privately.

 

[Ripskater]

It's almost as if an action undertaken out of malice has resulted in negative consequences.

It's not malice. We just want to preserve our culture. And we only want people who assimilate.

Part of the reason so many people are coming here is because other cultures and corruption have ruined all these other countries.

 

[nostradumbass]

So by randomly making it harder for highly skilled immigrants to get visas legally, those individuals are attempting to enter the country illegally? It's almost as if an action undertaken out of malice has resulted in negative consequences.

Also, when some people kept going on about stopping illegal immigration and only seeking highly skilled immigrants because of what they can add to our country compared to the random lottery, this H1-B situation would suggest that position isn't quite true. I'm against illegal immigration but way too frequently, I'm seeing people who claim to be anti-illegal immigration publicly to justify support for anti-all immigration privately.

I can't speak for everyone, but for myself, it's more fine-tuning the number. I've never met somebody who is anti-immigration entirely, I like that there are immigrants and I've dated more Eastern Europeans than Americans, but it can't just be an open floodgate. Nobody has suggested getting rid of work visas wholesale, but H1-B needs to get sorted out because your legal status in the country should not be tied to the company sponsoring you, where they can pay you less than Americans and you can't leave.

 

[salamander]

Trump has been a very immoral man in his marriages. But he is standing for religious freedom. That's what we want. And we want to keep our nation sovereign. We don't want other nations telling us what to do and we don't want Islam and failed culture coming here.

Hillary told us Christians that we needed to change our religious beliefs on abortion. Sorry lady, we aren't voting for that.

So...you are enabling immorality for your own personal aspirations?

Where in the bible are you allowed to make allowances for sin?

"Cain killed Abel...but he did it for his relgious freedom!" c'mon man, we're both from different demoninations but the ordinances we follow are essentially the same. If you promote, enable or excuse sin then the Lord will eventually give you a slap: This is one of the most immutable concepts Christianity.

Or do you know something that your ansecectors somehow missed in that regard?

I'm going to avoid talking to you about your fears of a one-world government (a bit too squirrel-house for me) but I don't see your melting pot bubbling over at all. I think the idea of American Culture, as nebulous and mult-faceted as it is, won't easily be dissolved from the fact that people have a different god than you. How unworthy it would a culture be of existing if that were the case?

Would you consider Saudi Arabia a "failed culture?" Doesn't Israel grab you guys by the dick and lead you around in terms of ME policy?

And whats the greater sin: wilful hypocrisy or organic stupidity?

 

[panamaican]

It's not malice. We just want to preserve our culture. And we only want people who assimilate.

Part of the reason so many people are coming here is because other cultures and corruption have ruined all these other countries.

What does that have to do with H1-B visas?

 

[panamaican]

I can't speak for everyone, but for myself, it's more fine-tuning the number. I've never met somebody who is anti-immigration entirely, I like that there are immigrants and I've dated more Eastern Europeans than Americans, but it can't just be an open floodgate. Nobody has suggested getting rid of work visas wholesale, but H1-B needs to get sorted out because your legal status in the country should not be tied to the company sponsoring you, where they can pay you less than Americans and you can't leave.

No, I've never met anyone who is anti-immigration entirely either. They're anti-immigration from anywhere except Western Europe but use language to obfuscate that position.

There's nothing wrong with H1-B visas. As a national position, we should actually be happy that working in the U.S. comes with an economic premium. That's before getting into whether or not American companies are actually paying less for those employees. The H1-b visa is only allowed for 6 years (two 3 year terms). At the end of that time, the individual has to get sponsored for a green card or go home.

In the high end fields, it's far more expensive to invest significantly into staff that you know you're going to lose in 6 years time. That's before factoring in the legal and administrative costs associated with sponsoring these employees. So, while they might make less in their paychecks, a decent portion of that is offset by the investment that the company has to make in these hires.

And since the h1-B situation has always been a capped number, there has never been a "floodgate" situation in effect. At 65,000 per year spread across multiple industries, they're not a large enough portion of the workforce to significantly impact wages across the country, except as a normal effect of excess supply. And for the nation, an excess supply of high end labor is not a real problem. Except for those people who don't like labor competition.

All of those arguments are misrepresentation of how the process works and have found their way in general talking points by playing on some nativist fears about immigrants....because it has very little to do with actual work conditions.

 

[nostradumbass]

No, I've never met anyone who is anti-immigration entirely either. They're anti-immigration from anywhere except Western Europe but use language to obfuscate that position.

There's nothing wrong with H1-B visas. As a national position, we should actually be happy that working in the U.S. comes with an economic premium. That's before getting into whether or not American companies are actually paying less for those employees. The H1-b visa is only allowed for 6 years (two 3 year terms). At the end of that time, the individual has to get sponsored for a green card or go home.

In the high end fields, it's far more expensive to invest significantly into staff that you know you're going to lose in 6 years time. That's before factoring in the legal and administrative costs associated with sponsoring these employees. So, while they might make less in their paychecks, a decent portion of that is offset by the investment that the company has to make in these hires.

And since the h1-B situation has always been a capped number, there has never been a "floodgate" situation in effect. At 65,000 per year spread across multiple industries, they're not a large enough portion of the workforce to significantly impact wages across the country, except as a normal effect of excess supply. And for the nation, an excess supply of high end labor is not a real problem. Except for those people who don't like labor competition.

All of those arguments are misrepresentation of how the process works and have found their way in general talking points by playing on some nativist fears about immigrants....because it has very little to do with actual work conditions.

I was responding to your previous post about malicious intentions leading to negative consequences. I did think it was 85,000, but that might have been adjusted in the last little while so we'll go with 65k. That's not a bad number, but it's worth looking into because it absolutely affected computer science wages during the tech boom.

BTW, I'd take Indians and Koreans over Western European nancies any day, and that's from someone who's lived in western Europe.

 

[panamaican]

I was responding to your previous post about malicious intentions leading to negative consequences. I did think it was 85,000, but that might have been adjusted in the last little while so we'll go with 65k. That's not a bad number, but it's worth looking into because it absolutely affected computer science wages during the tech boom.

BTW, I'd take Indians and Koreans over Western European nancies any day, and that's from someone who's lived in western Europe.

My malicious intentions was specifically about the administration and their H1-B executive order and direction, not to mention their telegraphing of anti-immigrant intent (legal or illegal).

I don't contest that it affected wages in those fields, there's research out there that supports that statement. What I generally contest is if it's a problem. I'm sure to people in fields where the wages have been affected, they'll say it's a problem but, for the nation as a whole, it's not.

I liken it to the legal field. The American Bar Association seems to accredit far too many low level law schools for my taste. The result is that there are too many lawyers and this depresses the pay for the general attorney out there. As a lawyer, I think this is a problem since it makes it harder to make a living. But, on a national scale, I think that having more people with a greater familiarity with how the law works and affects the general population is a good thing. Also, depressing lawyer rates makes them more accessible for people in need. Also a good thing. 2 good things for society that are not good things for lawyers who want to charge a lot of money for basic level work.

I see H1-B visas and their wage effect on STEM industries in the same light.

 

[Ripskater]

What does that have to do with H1-B visas?

I'm not sure. You were talking about how we do visas and how we deal with them is driven by malice.

 

[Wet Blanket]

Other cultures typically bring the corruption and immorality with them from their messed up country. And they vote for bigger govt with less freedom.

Hahahaha seriously??

 

[NoDak]

The social phenomena of "White flight" will see white people mass migrating to North Dakota or some shit

Heh, you want the run down on North Dakota bro?

It's a top 3-5 state in average IQ, gdp per capita, natural environment*, social environment*, infrastructure quality*, fiscal stability and balance budgeting* with a state-owned bank (only in the US) and multi-billion sovereign wealth fund, near tops for highest labor participation rate and lowest unemployment rate, an incarceration rate about one-third the US average, the death penalty been abolished since 1973. There's also been like one 'mass shooting' in the last 25 years despite extremely lax gun regulations.

* per 2018 US News report that ranked it 1st in the United States for quality of life. This is NoDak.

https://www.governor.nd.gov/news/no...l-us-news-world-report’s-best-states-rankings

#GodBlessed The Motherfucking Best.

 

[Ripskater]

So...you are enabling immorality for your own personal aspirations?

Where in the bible are you allowed to make allowances for sin?

Trump voters aren't enabling his past sexual immorality. Actually it would be easier for him to be sexually immoral if he was not in the White House.

"Cain killed Abel...but he did it for his relgious freedom!" c'mon man, we're both from different demoninations but the ordinances we follow are essentially the same. If you promote, enable or excuse sin then the Lord will eventually give you a slap: This is one of the most immutable concepts Christianity.

Again, I am not enabling his sexual sins.

I'm going to avoid talking to you about your fears of a one-world government (a bit too squirrel-house for me) but I don't see your melting pot bubbling over at all. I think the idea of American Culture, as nebulous and mult-faceted as it is, won't easily be dissolved from the fact that people have a different god than you. How unworthy it would a culture be of existing if that were the case?

Yes people have different gods than me, but do we really want to bring these other religions here?

Would you consider Saudi Arabia a "failed culture?" Doesn't Israel grab you guys by the dick and lead you around in terms of ME policy?

Come on man, no need for that. We can disagree and still be civil.

And whats the greater sin: wilful hypocrisy or organic stupidity?

Hillary was a bad candidate, Trump can be a great president, and that's what it comes down to. I realize you may disagree with that.

 

[bad seed]

I can't argue with that. Our days as a sovereign nation are numbered. The USA will eventually merge with a leftist global govt that Obama Biden and past presidents called the new world order.
The enemy of the left is American traditional culture. They want it torn down and destroyed.
Open borders will change the culture. And the cultures that ruined their own country will eventually ruin ours.

funny how you overlook US's role in destabilizing South American nations by funding coups to overthrow democratically elected rulers and place puppets more amenable to our interests.

 

[Ripskater]

funny how you overlook US's role in destabilizing South American nations by funding coups to overthrow democratically elected rulers and place puppets more amenable to our interests.

That's a whole new thread buddy.

 

[Leagon]

Lol @ this thread. Any adult who says "rules are rules" with a serious face should be forced to work in a labor camp until they realize how dumb they are.

 

[bad seed]

That's a whole new thread buddy.

it's completely relevant when one tries to blame their "culture" for the failed economics of the nations they are migrating from. Perhaps you should review this:

 

[nostradumbass]

My malicious intentions was specifically about the administration and their H1-B executive order and direction, not to mention their telegraphing of anti-immigrant intent (legal or illegal).

I don't contest that it affected wages in those fields, there's research out there that supports that statement. What I generally contest is if it's a problem. I'm sure to people in fields where the wages have been affected, they'll say it's a problem but, for the nation as a whole, it's not.

I liken it to the legal field. The American Bar Association seems to accredit far too many low level law schools for my taste. The result is that there are too many lawyers and this depresses the pay for the general attorney out there. As a lawyer, I think this is a problem since it makes it harder to make a living. But, on a national scale, I think that having more people with a greater familiarity with how the law works and affects the general population is a good thing. Also, depressing lawyer rates makes them more accessible for people in need. Also a good thing. 2 good things for society that are not good things for lawyers who want to charge a lot of money for basic level work.

I see H1-B visas and their wage effect on STEM industries in the same light.

This is semi-irrelevant, but what kind of law do you practice? I think lawyer fees kind of bear themselves out with a market, where public defenders and state prosecutors make a lot less than those in private practice and that's generally where the lower-level people go. If I'm not mistaken, you don't actually even necessarily need to go to law school to take the bar exam, though I do get that that's not the same as Bar association endorsement.

I'm just not with you on the H1-B thing. I agree it's good up to a certain number, but it generally affects booming fields where traditionally we see the most growth in wages and more job interest. I'm actually totally fine with H2-B visas because those are a bit shorter and allow for more mobility and tend to pressure the recipient into upward growth. Dunno man, I think we should just agree to disagree on this.