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10 - 8's are a joke

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Flammenwerfer, Nov 17, 2021.

  1. TGArthur You can't lose if you win the fight.

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    I think there is a much bigger issue of not issuing enough 10-10 rounds. Too may controversial decisions on razor close fights that should just be labeled draw/majority draw
     
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  2. KBE6EKCTAH_CCP Vive le Québec libre !

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    this gets too complicated.
    it's binary most of the time, i.e. win or lose, period.
    in special cases where a fight is almost stopped, then a 10-8.
    I respectfully must tell you that I think you are overcomplicating the living shit out of it.
     
  3. moreorless87 Straba

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    I don't think you can really follow the boxing "knockdown = 10-8" for MMA really, one one thing you don't have as clear indicator as a knockdown for a near finish and for another the rounds are significantly longer.

    If one fighter dominates a round and then gets dropped in the last 10 seconds should he lose the round 10-8?

    Ultimately MMA is always going to be more complex with judges having to make judgement calls.
     
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  4. Oz.Pride Orange Belt

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    They were right
     
  5. Big Tuppy Hole Gold Belt

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    It should have been, dropped twice and on the verge of being stopped, that's a 10-8
     
  6. Jitter Blue Belt

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    I think it's funny people bash the judging, but look at how many on here disagree with scores. We have the advantage of multiple cameras, slow mo, etc etc. There are some certainly some headscratching scores, but truly bad scores are not all that common. I don't know why people would say commentators shouldn't comment on scores. Most of them eat, breathe, and sleep MMA
    I think the biggest problem is the close rounds. A fighter can be pretty dominated but still get a 10-9 and another round can be razor thin with the same score. Maybe goto a half point system. Give out 9.5s and 8.5s.
     
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  7. TheHabitualLineStepper White Belt

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    Wasn't on the verge of being stopped at all.

    Clearly not a 10-8 and it was judged correctly as a 10-9 by all 3 judges.
     
  8. Tito Tapped pink is better

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    All we can do is guess as to what the judges are seeing and how they are perceiving what's happening. Any other sport you can just look at the scoreboard and it's easy to follow along but in MMA all we have is rampant speculation. They should give us the scores after every round and remove any doubt as to what's happening.
     
  9. markys00 Silver Belt

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    According to the rules wouldnt one clean punch mean the other guy won the round? Since grappling means nothing unless round is equal in the stand up?
     
  10. Zebra Cheeks 2 Cheeks And A Soda Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    The entire scoring system is a joke. around by round scoring isn’t effective in a 3 round sport.

    Judges don’t like giving 10-8’s because if you get one in a 3 round fight, the best case scenario for the fighter who gets the “8” is a draw.
     
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  11. IsNormal Brown Belt

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    Biggest issue with judging is that razor close toss up rounds are scored the same as clear cut rounds.

    Example:
    Round 1 - Fighter A wins clearly. 10-9
    Round 2 - razor close. Commentators say "That's too close to call". But all refs just randomly make up their minds and all three end up giving it 10-9 Fighter B.

    Now they are tied and it's super unfair. One 10-9 should've been worth more than the other.

    10-8 isn't the solution. It's too big of a jump to essentially double the score.

    I'd like something like HALF point / "gold star point" rule.
    When someone wins a round very clearly - they get a "gold star" - which normally isn't used but in the case of a razor close round - the guy with the "gold star" wins it.
    Or if the fight ends up being a tie - the guy with the gold star is the winner.
     
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  12. cambo78 Silver Belt

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    Not necessarily. The other fighter could get a 10-8 round also. But regardless, If fighter-A beats the dogshit out of fighter-B for one round and gets a 10-8; but fighter-A tires himself out and gets outpointed for the next two rounds, it SHOULD be a draw.
     
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  13. laleggenda27 Brown Belt

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    I agree with most of what you're saying. It's entirely plausible that open scoring would light a fire under the losing fighter and create more action later in the fight. My biggest problem with open scoring is that it decreases the drama of announcing the winner. It might seem small, but that bit of drama and tension at the end of the fight has been a staple of combat sports for more than a century.
     
  14. moreorless87 Straba

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    Thats the main loss I'd agree but you would still have the last round to accounce after the fight which pretty often would potentially deside the outcome
     
  15. Gamer2k4 Black Belt

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    That's sort of how judo works. You have full points (instant win), half points (which become a full point and therefore a win if you get two), and minor points, which serve no purpose except tiebreaking if everything else is equal.

    The tricky thing with MMA, though, is that it's neither a sport where individual actions are scored (like wrestling), nor a sport that's lengthy enough to justify a 10-point system (like boxing). When you've got 12 rounds to work with, not only is an individual 10-9 (or even 10-8, 10-7) round not significant enough to win or lose the fight for you, but you can also deduct points for knockdowns (which would indicate a more dominant round), and you can be freer with your point deductions for fouls.

    With MMA, obviously the current scoring system has worked *well enough*, but it would be nice if there was something better.
     
  16. IsNormal Brown Belt

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    Cool, did not think of that.

    Watched some judo ages ago and knew about ippon being a full point and waza-something being a half point but never heard about these minor points.

    I'll start refering to this method of scoring as judo scoring rather than my weird haphazard "gold star" (reference to middle school bonus grading) metaphor :)

    Feels like some might object to the idea of a half point in MMA - but I would think that most people wouldn't have a problem with a minor point.
     
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  17. HP_Nut Black Belt

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    I think they should give out more 10-8s to more accurately reflect what really happened. If fighter A outlands fighter B 40-36 in significant strikes(barely squeaking by) in rd 1 & rd 3, they win both rds 10-9 but fighter B outlands fighter A in rd 2 40-20 (should be a 10-8), it still usually only counts as a 10-9 rd. End result is fighter A squeaks out 29-28, but reality is fight is more like a draw IMO
     
  18. KAZSoliloquy Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card

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    abandon the 10-point-must system in mma. it doesn’t work. go back to “paid rules” lol
     
  19. Local Plata Hitchslap Belt

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    Where are you getting this 'should' shit? In boxing, where the 10 point must was taken from, generally speaking you lose a point for getting knocked down. So getting knocked down in a round is almost a guaranteed 10-8.
     
  20. sdpdude9 Red Belt

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    It’s funny some complain about 10-8s being too easy now, but I remember people hated it when they were near impossible to get before.
     

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