Your assessment on the state of the HW divison.

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  1. KazDibiase

    KazDibiase "My style is kneeing people in the face."

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    Not much talent in the HW divison.... Very shallow and marjority of the fights are either boring or hilariously bad. I got my favorites there but most should've retired already.
     
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    Arm Barbarian Steel Belt Platinum Member

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    DC owning that shit, then saying, "Carry on."
     
  3. Oj21

    Oj21 Purple Belt

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    I’d say it’s one of the best in terms of the very top talent. The problem is that they basically only have 8 guys in the division and most have already fought. But as of now you still have guys like reem and werdum who are some of the most skilled guys in the ufc but are just old. I’m going jds can go in a run and make things interesting
     
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    abiG Double Yellow Card Double Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    When Jon GOAT gets back, he dominates LHW and HW.
     
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    Arm Barbarian Steel Belt Platinum Member

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    Indeed - Greatest Of Anabolic Takers dominates, then FAILS for the umpteenth time, and gets supended for ANOTHER four years.

    His last nut-huggers continue grasping at hair-like straws
     
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    riitzni Silver Belt

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    My take is that if DC wasn't so loyal to Cain that he could have been running HW this entire time undefeated, because HW is a constant embarrassment to the sport with its two minute gas tanks and wild haymaker fights that consistently fail to KO someone, resulting in 13 minutes of a couple gassed big boys wheezing until the final bell. He could have beaten Stipe and everyone Stipe beat by now.

    Without the move to LHW he would have never run into the MMA GOAT and lost twice. No I don't support Jon Jones but he is the best to ever do it, steroids or no. That's actually a bit of a feather in DC's cap that the only man to ever really beat him is the best ever. We also have to acknowledge the awful fact that Jones could be the HW champion of the world tomorrow.
     
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    20falarVerdades Red Belt

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    Even Coleman would be champ in this HW division
     
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  9. Tylerl90

    Tylerl90 Green Belt

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    Pretty sure DC beats absolutely anybody on the roster at Heavyweight 9 out of 10 times. He's just that good. As @riitzni just said, I'm almost certain DC could've been running the show at Heavyweight for years now if Cain wasn't in the picture at all.
     
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    You're probably right, AB. I sure would not doubt that scenario. Jon is not a smart man in real life. It makes his fight IQ that much more difficult to understand.

    Well, I wouldn't hug his nuts, but I can see greatness where it lies. He's still, by far, the best to ever do it.
     
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  11. noah1212

    noah1212 Drink the Kool-Aid Platinum Member

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    Honestly I think it's a lot better than it was a few years back. It's too bad that guy who fought dos santos was kind of a bust i was hoping he'd add some new blood to the sport.

    Between that and nganou tanking his last fight and stipe losing I could see why there's not a ton to be excited about. But Id imagine in a few months we'll all be tuning into another ppv with a hw headline we're all pumped about.
     
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    HI SCOTT NEWMAN Steel Belt Cat ✔

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    Its awful, most of them are part time fighters and have other jobs. Someone posted a list before of the entire division, I think there was about 50 guys signed to UFC who fight at HW and a large portion of them are part time fighters, many of them are police officers and security guards, even the God damn champ was a part time fighter as a firefighter. Its so embarrassing. Then Cormier comes and wins it and he is pretty much a part time fighter himself, he has so many other jobs, doing commentary, working for Fox, seems to appear on podcasts all the time. coaching under 5 year old kids
     
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  13. Judoka1532

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    A year ago I thought the HW division was going to fall apart. It was full of fighters on the verge of retirement or injured. I feel like it's been revived slightly. Ngannou brought some hope but now idk what happened to him in that last fight. Derrick Lewis also keeps putting together wins but again that last fight Idk what hap. Volkov and blaydes seems to be somewhat exciting. He's at least a new guy who's busted onto the scene. And with Miocic, JDS, and hopefully cain, the HW division will hold on for another few years so some young guys can come into the equation. They have to bring some new guys in because they are reaching a point where they have all fought one another.

    Last night Ivanov didn't look too promising. I had him winning 1 round but that's good enough at all.
     
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    Well I totally get why you would post this. Because I think the thought has crossed some minds of a lot of people. Read my last post before this one. I don't think we are on the verge of panic mode yet, but if a couple of fighters get injured, a couple retire, and a couple more go to bellator....the ufc HW division could be in full panic mode.
     
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  15. Rod Farva

    Rod Farva War Big Nog!

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    It’s pretty weak. They have some big punchers but not many complete martial artists
     
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    My opinion is that it's better than the garbage that is LHW.
     
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    It's pretty much always been trash hasn't it?

    The amount of big men in the world just isn't that high.

    The amount of big men who are willing to fight for a living is even smaller.

    And the amount of big men who are willing to fight for a living who are actually decent if not great fighters is even smaller than that.

    Even Boxing has always had difficulty cultivating talent and now, HW's are even bigger than in the 70's when it was supposed to be at it's best.

    How many Joshua's, Klitschko's, Wilder's, Fury's etc are their walking around who are willing to be a prize fighter?

    Sure, you can look to the talent in the NBA, NFL or even the NHL and say that's where they all went, but you don't become a fighter because of pay, you become a fighter first and foremost because you love it.

    Players reach the NBA and NFL because they spend their whole lives playing ball, it's promoted in schools, it's encouraged, they're treated like kings throughout their education careers and they get scholarships etc.

    You can't do that with MMA. How many schools promote Kickboxing or Jiu Jitsu?

    I know you can go to a Judo school or get a scholarship for Wrestling, but that's not full blown fighting, no strikes, just a piece of it.

    Professional fighting isn't for the average person and on top of that, the average person isnt a fit heavyweight.
     
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  18. Mbmmax

    Mbmmax White Belt

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    Agreed. The HW championship fights are still the most likely for me to purchase on ppv. Title of baddest man on the planet to the winner, and if a LHW thought he could dominate the HW division then that's where he likely would be.
     
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  19. Flokk

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    Sounds like [Insert division].

    UFC will be D/F/E level as long as there's Reebok and shit pay generally.
     
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  20. Kung Fu Tze

    Kung Fu Tze Skin that Smokewagon !!! Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Terrible... but has never been great. Doubt we will ever see another heavyweight division like the glory years of Pride.
     

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