Yoel last round vs Whittaker, Yoel vs Luke

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  1. Lissove Green Belt

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    Yoel had some decent success in the last round vs Whittaker despite being remarkably heavy breathing. He was willing to stand and push Whittaker. I see how it looks similar to how he performed vs Luke, no more jumping round and keeping huge distance, but calmly standing in relative close quarters. The benefit he had vs Luke of course is that he was fresh, loose, and his gameplan was now around such striking ability and not the other way around, therefore he quickly jumped back when Luke thrown a teep to stomach and jumped back in into the same patient stance.
     
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    to beat Luke you simply make him back pedal

    to beat Whitaker i think you'll have to get the doctor stoppage .. Or bumrush tko
     
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    I think if Romero wins it’ll be some type of flash KO (3rd round) Maybe he’s able to catch Whittaker with something. But my pick is Whittaker by decision in another close fight.
     
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    luke has this weird technique of leaning back, like Floyd's shoulder role but without the actual fucking shoulder role and chin tuck. it's so...baffling. why hasn't any of his striking coaches addressed this? is this some new technique?

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    i always feel like he's trying this technique:
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    i don't know. it's bizzare. it looks...lazy. like he's just hanging out in the ring. you have to be cognizant of your fucking chin. it can't just be out there. these are professional headhunters.

    i don't think he's ever going to win again against a contender unless he addresses that casual stance of his
     
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    Why would he want to hide that sculpted, well proportioned chin?
     
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    because gay hesus is tagging him with soft kisses
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    He didn't do any roll vs Bisping, just plain laziness and underestimation. Vs Yoel he was doing his moderately successful right counter. He was able to do it with relative success in the past, as even if he doesn't land it gives him advantage of having his strong arm over someone in a deflecting manner, but Yoel was just plain faster in the exchange and was able to catch Luke.
     
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    I’ve noticed / thought the same thing... I always assumed he thinks he’s safe to do it without really raising the shoulder and tucking the chin deep bc of his length/height.. he probably gets away with it in the gym.. kinda a bad habit thing maybe..
     
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    he caught him because his chin was out in open like a $2 whore on the corner.

    if you lean back, you have to tuck your chin. he's gotten away with it so far because MMA boxing is amateurish.

    but guys like Bisping have been improving as they work with professional boxers and coaches. you almost have to fight like a boxer at this point. look at Conor. he's pretty much a boxer who sprawls to keep it standing and uses silly kicks (minus Diaz 2) to create distance so he can box.

    this is what Crocop was doing in Pride. and I bet Floyd wants to come to UFC to do something similar. top UFC fighters can't box for shit
     
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    Luke moves back and tries to use his offense and athleticism as defense. Like he expects his opponent to be afraid of his check hook or high kick so they will hesitate to follow him. He's big and fast so most MW's have to be right there on him ready to follow and counter. Not surprised two of the better boxers he's fought have been the ones to exploit that in Bisping and Romero.
     
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    I know one guy who bumrushed Whittaker.

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    He attempts to tuck his chin and counter with the overhand when his opponent comes inside on him. He cracked Weidman with that same technique iirc. Unfortunately for him, everyone knows that technique and exactly how to counter it. Which is how Romero got the KO.
     
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    Because they need to be aware of much more things coming their way, not only boxing. The guys you mentioned all said how much they lean on their mma and not only boxing. It's the small gloves that make you block differently, the distance awareness different than boxing as being up close is having a threat of takedowns elbows clinch knees. Don't make it into some petty argument in favor of the general sport of boxing. Kickboxing Muay Thai also teach to tuck their chins, it is plain mistake of Luke, not boxing in mma as a whole.
     
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    most fighters have trained to nullify wrestlers. unless you come across a Khabib, you are pretty much in a stand-up fight these days at the top level.

    and as for Muay Thai, the coaches themselves talk about how those fighters are not worried about hands because they don't punch hard, and are much more focused on kicks because of the damage difference.

    just look at all the chute box guys and the slugfests they used to be involved in.
     
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    a soldier of god has better bum rush .. That was about as good coming forward as luke going backwards ..
     
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    So maybe it does mean how important are kicks in striking. All of ufc's great fighters are very good at kicking and exploiting their kicking game with feints. The few strikers who use mostly their hands, like Masvidal, who tuck their chin and are said to be great mma boxers, have a traditional Muay Thai backround instead of boxing. Cody is a good amateur boxer if we look at his record, but he still gets caught and outstruck, and he still heavily leans on him being a wrestler too. Till and wonderboy both aren't from boxing backround. The most typical boxer out there is Glover, with his boxer like fat belly, and lacking legs, and even he relies on cage pressure and grappling.
     
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    I know another.
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    boxer like fat belly?

    stop comparing AMATEUR boxers to those at the top professional level.

    Wonderboy is a point fighter.

    kicks are important, no one said they are not, but they are also risky:
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    most fighters are not going to take such risks at the highest level, especially since judges give so much points to takedowns and top control.

    this is why guys with boxing+wrestling (cormier, steipe, tj dilashaw, woodley, max hollowy, and khabib) are champions. while wonderboy is not. yair got murked.
     
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    I wouldn't call that a bumrush
     
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    How is that a "bum rush"? or did you just want to post Whitaker getting knocked out? Only one of those guys will ever be champion.
     
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