Yet another creatine question: How fast does creatine turn into creatinine?

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    Can it be mixed in my PWO drink, sit in my car for 2 hours while I'm sweat humping men in my BJJ class, and be alright to drink afterwards? Or should I just leave it (and my other PWO crap) in powder form and mix it with water afterwards in my shaker bottle?
     
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    I think the general consensus is to leave it in powdered form until you are ready to drink it.

    But you do bring up an interesting question on the degradation time; I believe either Madmick or KK posted on this a while back, and it took "days" for a creatine mix to completely break down. Throwing "creatinine" into the Sherdog search brings up zip.

    They may be some breakdown over two hours, but I can't see it being much. I'll see if I can actually dig up some numbers.
     
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    http://www.sherdog.net/forums/showthread.php?t=541574
     
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    Great find, thanks Sonny.
     
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    LoL, I'm fairly certain you posted a link to something as well. I remember finding a source that said it would take about 1-2 days to have significant degradation. I
     
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    Great find sonny. What a concise and eloquent post you dug up there. :icon_chee

    Edit: Actually, I tried looking this up and in the 5 minutes I devoted to this search, I found only one thing: http://www.aapspharmscitech.org/view.asp?art=pt040225

    After 45 days in a fridge it was 80% creatine, and the room temp stuff was still 10% creatine. So a few hours isn't going to make any noticeable difference.
     
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    Wow, that's quite a difference between refrigerated and room temp.
     
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    Awwwwww you guys are just jee golly gosh darn...... thanks.
     
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    Just say what everyone else says when they get banned. "My account was hacked dude."
     
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    Haha. Holy crap. I don't blame myself 100% for this mistake though, since obviously none of you guys read my source. :redface:

    I posted:
    And I typed it wrong. 45 days in the fridge it was 80% creaTININE, or only 20% creatine. Room temp was 90% creaTININE, or only 10% creatine.

    So they were both pretty much waste after 45 days. But thats 45 days, we are talking about mixing a few hours before hand. I'd even say 24 hours you are still ok. Like I said before, if you put 6 grams in and 20% gets converted you still have ~5 grams of good stuff. From the above study I'd say it would take a few days to degrade 20%.
     
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    Is the degradation linear though? Or does it quickly degrade then just sort of chill out the rest of the time, maybe larger particles making up 10-20% of the mix don't break down as quickly or something?
     
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    Wow...good question...is the curve exponential initially??
     
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    But you have 1g of bad stuff, if you take creatine 5 times a week, that's 5g

    then you die

    joking, I usually use creatine PWO, and add water after my workout in the shaker
     
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    I have no clue. The only reason why I'd think that it would degrade quickly and then let 10-20% stay as creatine is if its in equilibrium and the increase in products limits the forward rate of degradation. I don't think its an enzymatic process, and I doubt its in equilibrium or anything. I assume it would be linear since there should be equal probability that each molecule will randomly degrade. Or would it follow a exponential 1/2 life curve?

    I think we are over analyzing it haha. Drink your creatine within 24-48 hours of mixing it, and if you think its gonna sit around for a while try to keep it in the fridge and also make that spoonful a little more heaping than normal.
     
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