There is significant evidence that Trump's campaign, at the highest level, colluded in the interests of the Russian government to obtain illicit information gathered by them through espionage. That's actual. The direction that should move clear-headed people is away from defense of Trump and his campaign.
On topic, what do you think of Trumpcare? Healthcare was one of the big issues in the election. You want to stand behind your vote?
That meeting wasn't about business. The woman was a Russian government-connected lawyer who lobbies against the Magnitsky Act, and imo uses "adoption" as cover, as an insignificant part of Russia's response to the Act was to limit adoption. Hence the spies in the room with her. Neither side contends that it had anything to do with a business deal. It was admitted by Don Jr, explicitly, as an attempt to gain illicit information on Clinton. That is evidence of collusion, whether any charges come from it or not.
This would be a reasonable statement had the dems not spent their most recent years in power governing.
Because she is lobbying against the Magnitsky Act. That's the first and most obvious. She's also reported to have been taking on a lot of cases on the Kremlin's side of issues. And she brought Rinat Akhmetshin. And she brought a dossier of Clinton dirt that was the product of a Russian state operation.
So in your best case scenario, Don Jr and Kushner and Manafort are taking a meeting with merely a bunch of oligarch crooks, and a former counterintelligence officer, in return for dirt, and lying about it from beginning to end? That's a terrible best case and I find it unlikely.
So your argument is that the dems don't know how to govern because they do not govern when they are not in a position to govern?
You need to make an actual argument here, with some examples. I'm not sure what you're actually trying to say here, and this is a debate thread ffs.
I'd love to do a healthcare debate, but you'd probably have to take the lead on that one, Fawltybud. I'm out of my depth on a lot of that stuff. It's a very popular topic, though. Hey Jack, do you think you could come up with a debate prompt for us about healthcare? I'm all ears for suggestions. I'm also combing through threads right now trying to put together other ideas to refresh the topic list in general. Anybody who reads this, feel free to throw suggestions our way.
