would tyson have beat holyfield in 1991?

[mozfonky]

All you Evander Holyfield lovers...how bad was Holy against tubby Larry Holmes in 1992....

man, i still feel the pain of tyson's loss to holyfield and douglas, I didn't want him to lose but he did. I'm a fan of both guys though.

 

[tekkennlee]

Tyson"s Boxing style is not that great and is easy to counter, that style works well against slow heavy boxers with terrible stamina and boxers with no chins, because that style can't fight on the outside against counter punchers, boxers with great legs who can fight on the inside and outside.

A smart counter puncher with a great jab quick hands with a great chin beats that style every time they fight unless they get lucky or gets hurt in the fight, with a freak injury.

Holyfields chin conditioning and Heart will beat Tyson every time they fight, no matter who trains Mike . But a fighter that gives Holyfield trouble with that style is Joe Frazier, because Joes stamina chin and Heart is up there with Evanders.

It's just the way it is and even Mike knows it.

David Tua Vs Evander Holyfield sparring long version


No matter who uses that style, even Tua loses to a Evander type fighter every time Ike fought just like Holyfield and Tua could never beat Ike, chin, Heart and stamina was to good for David.
Ike Ibeabuchi vs David Tua


Mike Tyson"s style is just to easy to counter, to easy to hit with jabs right hands and upper-cuts, Tyson chin head movement and quick hands helped him allot against Heavy Weight fighters.

Because Holyfield can out fight Mike on the inside outside take his power and counter-punch the hell out of Mike using his legs. Tyson can only fight on the inside, he can't fight on the outside at all, he needs a certain range to land his power punches because he can't use his legs.

That's why Lennox will always beat Tyson to, legs are to quick and Lewis can beat Mike on the inside outside and with his legs.

Lennox Lewis v s David Tua


Tommy can't do anything to Lennox on the outside, but Lennox can beat Tommy on the inside outside and using his legs.
Lennox Lewis v Tommy Morrison Won TKO 6


Tyson will never beat Holyfield because his style is to limited and is to easy to counter, that style can't fight on the outside it needs a certain range to be effective.

 

[treelo]

All you Evander Holyfield lovers...how bad was Holy against tubby Larry Holmes in 1992....

Do you have some sort of love affair going on with Tyson?, all you have done is acted like a prick towards anyone who you dont agree with

I'm not even a fan of Holyfield, yet you seem to have took it to heart that i disagreed with you

 

[tekkennlee]

Mike Tyson was never that perfect fighter, that some called him.

That's why we call cert-en fighters, the perfect fighter, because he can fight you on the inside outside use his legs has super power and a great chin with great defense. These type of fighters rarely get beat because they have no weakness, Floyd Mayweather, Ali, Lennox Lewis, Riddick Bowe, Sugary Robinson, Roy Jones jr, Manny Pac, and more.

Most of these fighters downfall, is they get old lazy or fight a fighter like themselves, who is smarter or just more gifted or is just better that night. Or they fight some fighter that just catches them with a great shot or a fighter with Heart and a great chin that just happens to beat them, other then this they rarely lose a fight.

AKA Floyd vs Manny or Riddick Bowe vs Holyfield, Roy Jones vs James Toney or Chavez vs Taylor.

Mike is not that fighter, but Holyfield is that type of perfect fighter, the only problem Evander had, was his chin was to great and he let himself get hit to much or he just fought a better fighter then himself that night, like Lennox.

Tyson will never beat Evander no matter when they fight, the outcome is always the same.

 

[bad seed]

there was no power lost from his prime here:

and Evander took those flush without much drama.

 

[tekkennlee]

there was no power lost from his prime here:

and Evander took those flush without much drama.

Holyfield took punches from bigger men then Mike and bigger punchers then Mike flush on the chin, no one should even question Evanders chin or question Tyson power because the last thing that leaves you is your power the first thing that leaves you is you legs next reflexes. Look at Gorge Foreman even in his forty"s he never lost his power.

Tyson never lost his power when he fought Holyfield or Lennox but he did lose his legs, and reflexes when he fought Lennox, but not when he fought Evander.

He's still not beating those 2 fighters no matter what age he fights them.

 

[mozfonky]

there was no power lost from his prime here:

and Evander took those flush without much drama.

evander said in a recent interview that Tyson never caught him that clean. It looked like he hurt him once or twice but it was true, tyson was missing his shots.

 

[danny casso]

Tyson"s Boxing style is not that great and is easy to counter, that style works well against slow heavy boxers with terrible stamina and boxers with no chins, because that style can't fight on the outside against counter punchers, boxers with great legs who can fight on the inside and outside.

A smart counter puncher with a great jab quick hands with a great chin beats that style every time they fight unless they get lucky or gets hurt in the fight, with a freak injury.

Holyfields chin conditioning and Heart will beat Tyson every time they fight, no matter who trains Mike . But a fighter that gives Holyfield trouble with that style is Joe Frazier, because Joes stamina chin and Heart is up there with Evanders.

It's just the way it is and even Mike knows it.

David Tua Vs Evander Holyfield sparring long version


No matter who uses that style, even Tua loses to a Evander type fighter every time Ike fought just like Holyfield and Tua could never beat Ike, chin, Heart and stamina was to good for David.
Ike Ibeabuchi vs David Tua


Mike Tyson"s style is just to easy to counter, to easy to hit with jabs right hands and upper-cuts, Tyson chin head movement and quick hands helped him allot against Heavy Weight fighters.

Because Holyfield can out fight Mike on the inside outside take his power and counter-punch the hell out of Mike using his legs. Tyson can only fight on the inside, he can't fight on the outside at all, he needs a certain range to land his power punches because he can't use his legs.

That's why Lennox will always beat Tyson to, legs are to quick and Lewis can beat Mike on the inside outside and with his legs.

Lennox Lewis v s David Tua


Tommy can't do anything to Lennox on the outside, but Lennox can beat Tommy on the inside outside and using his legs.
Lennox Lewis v Tommy Morrison Won TKO 6


Tyson will never beat Holyfield because his style is to limited and is to easy to counter, that style can't fight on the outside it needs a certain range to be effective.

what is Tua to do with the 1991 fight! judge the level,condition,size of both fighters at the time and Tyson wins this fight against Holy..its easy when you check the way they were both fighting in 1991

 

[danny casso]

chill,just judging the outcome

 

[danny casso]

i know most people would say evander would still win but even though mike lost to buster a year before he was still in his prime and still a beast i found video footage of mike training for that fight in 1991, and i can say holyfield would have been in for a war. not saying holyfield couldn't have won i just dont think he would have.

adda boy DOG

 

[tekkennlee]

what is Tua to do with the 1991 fight! judge the level,condition,size of both fighters at the time and Tyson wins this fight against Holy..its easy when you check the way they were both fighting in 1991

It's the style that Tyson uses and his limited offense and not being able to fight Holyfield on the outside lke Tua, Tommy Morris and other boxers that use this style and their limited God given abilities, like short arms they can't out-jab bigger fighters they have to get inside.

Evander is to complete of a boxer and has to good of a chin to lose to that limited style because that style Mike and other boxers use cant be efective in long range in boxing, limiting offensive scoring, the fighters have to be at a certain distance to be effective, that's why i posted the videos of three different boxers all using the same style and showed that they all can't do a thing at long range against any opponents, that have great chins can counter punch use their distance and have jabs right hands and combinations and can also fight not only on the outside but are great inside fighters. this takes away anything these boxers that use the Cus Amato"s, boxing style, Peek a boo style.



This style is not effective on the outside it needs to be at a certain distance on the inside to be effective. So any boxer that can fight on the inside and outside that can take a punch beats this style every time.

Video of Buster vs Mike, Tyson can't do a thing to Douglas on the outside he had to get inside like any boxer using this style, so his offensive output is to limited to win the fight on points he would need a knock out , Douglas would beat Tyson everytime they fight if Buster comes in 100% in-flight shape because he can take Mike"s power and is more of a complete boxer, unless Tyson gets lucky with a knockout, if not Mike loses everytime on points or by knockout.
Mike Tyson first defeat agains James "Buster" Douglas (Highlights)
I don't know how more clear i can make this to you, just look at Douglas destroying Tyson on the outside, Mike can't do a thing to Buster, until he gets inside and even then Mike is getting destroyed on the inside. Mike is to limited of a boxer and is to limited with the God given talents to beat Douglas, just like Holyfield they are to gifted to lose to Mike, when 100%.


Mike will never beat Evander, because Holyfield is to complete of a boxer with to good of a chin at anytime of their professional careers. Mike is to limited of a boxer to beat truly gifted compete boxers.

Styles makes you win or lose fights and limited God given abilities makes you win or lose fights.

 

[tekkennlee]

The Swarmer style of boxing was invented for boxers who had disadvantages in height and reach, but had the crazy punching power and chin to fight any boxer they fight. So these boxers are limited in ways to winning certain fights against complete boxers, they would need a knockout to win, hence the crazy Mike Tyson type punching power and great chin with great stamina like Joe Frazier.

This style Swarmer or Peek a Boo style are made for certain fighters and are very limited in effectiveness.

A complete boxer that has a longer reach better jab throwing better combinations and can fight on the inside and outside, beats this style evrytime if they can take a punch and have great conditioning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_styles_and_technique

The swarmer (in-fighter, crowder) is a fighter who attempts to overwhelm his opponent by applying constant pressure — taking away an opponent's spacing and timing. Swarmers tend to have a very good bob and weave, good power, a good chin, and a tremendous punch output overwhelming them with intensity and flurries of hooks and uppercuts.

They tend to be fast on their feet which can make them difficult to evade for a slower fighter; or are great at cutting the ring with precise footwork. They also tend to have a good "chin" because this style usually involves being hit with many jabs before they can maneuver inside where they are more effective.[1] Many swarmers are often either shorter fighters or fighters with shorter reaches, especially in the heavier classes, that have to get in close to be effective.

Tommy Burns was the shortest Heavyweight champion at 5'7, while Rocky Marciano had the shortest reach at 67-68 inches. One exception is Jack Dempsey, who was nearly 6'1 with a 77-inch reach. Famous swarmers include Henry Armstrong, Carmen Basilio, Nigel Benn, Melio Bettina,[2] Burns, Julio Cesar Chavez, Steve Collins, Jack Dempsey, Joe Frazier, Kid Gavilan, Gennady Golovkin, Román González, Harry Greb, Emile Griffith, Fighting Harada, Ricky Hatton, Jake LaMotta, Rocky Marciano, Terry McGovern,[3] Sam McVey, Battling Nelson, Bobo Olson, Manuel Ortiz, Floyd Patterson, Aaron Pryor, Alexander Povetkin, Sailor Tom Sharkey, David Tua, Mike Tyson, Micky Ward, Wilfredo Gomez and Mickey Walker.[4][5]

 

[danny casso]

It's the style that Tyson uses and his limited offense and not being able to fight Holyfield on the outside lke Tua, Tommy Morris and other boxers that use this style and their limited God given abilities, like short arms they can't out-jab bigger fighters they have to get inside.

Evander is to complete of a boxer and has to good of a chin to lose to that limited style because that style Mike and other boxers use cant be efective in long range in boxing, limiting offensive scoring, the fighters have to be at a certain distance to be effective, that's why i posted the videos of three different boxers all using the same style and showed that they all can't do a thing at long range against any opponents, that have great chins can counter punch use their distance and have jabs right hands and combinations and can also fight not only on the outside but are great inside fighters. this takes away anything these boxers that use the Cus Amato"s, boxing style, Peek a boo style.



This style is not effective on the outside it needs to be at a certain distance on the inside to be effective. So any boxer that can fight on the inside and outside that can take a punch beats this style every time.

Video of Buster vs Mike, Tyson can't do a thing to Douglas on the outside he had to get inside like any boxer using this style, so his offensive output is to limited to win the fight on points he would need a knock out , Douglas would beat Tyson everytime they fight if Buster comes in 100% in-flight shape because he can take Mike"s power and is more of a complete boxer, unless Tyson gets lucky with a knockout, if not Mike loses everytime on points or by knockout.
Mike Tyson first defeat agains James "Buster" Douglas (Highlights)
I don't know how more clear i can make this to you, just look at Douglas destroying Tyson on the outside, Mike can't do a thing to Buster, until he gets inside and even then Mike is getting destroyed on the inside. Mike is to limited of a boxer and is to limited with the God given talents to beat Douglas, just like Holyfield they are to gifted to lose to Mike, when 100%.


Mike will never beat Evander, because Holyfield is to complete of a boxer with to good of a chin at anytime of their professional careers. Mike is to limited of a boxer to beat truly gifted compete boxers.

Styles makes you win or lose fights and limited God given abilities makes you win or lose fights.

Tyson was in no condition for the Douglas fight,hes was in no condition to fight anybody that night!!!your clutching at straws...check HOLYS fights against grandad Foreman and Tysons replacement dustbin Bert Cooper and his level in 1991 wouldn't good enough to compete to live with Tyson in 1991,Holy was getting smacked up by 2 fighters not in Tysons class,judge both fighters in 1991,their size,their capacity,HOLY only had 2 world title fights by 1991...Tyson was a seasoned wrecking ball,it would be a points win or a TKO for Tyson,its easy to judge if they met in 1991..you can gage the outcome from checking HOLYS performances against Foreman and Cooper otherwise your being ignorant

 

[treelo]

Tyson was in no condition for the Douglas fight,hes was in no condition to fight anybody that night!!!your clutching at straws...check HOLYS fights against grandad Foreman and Tysons replacement dustbin Bert Cooper and his level in 1991 wouldn't good enough to compete to live with Tyson in 1991,Holy was getting smacked up by 2 fighters not in Tysons class,judge both fighters in 1991,their size,their capacity,HOLY only had 2 world title fights by 1991...Tyson was a seasoned wrecking ball,it would be a points win or a TKO for Tyson,its easy to judge if they met in 1991..you can gage the outcome from checking HOLYS performances against Foreman and Cooper otherwise your being ignorant

I'm pretty fucking sure Holyfield had unified the cruiserweight division before 1991 and you are talking out of your ass. Can you please now fuck off and leave this forum so sensible people can have a discussion.

 

[tekkennlee]

Tyson was in no condition for the Douglas fight,hes was in no condition to fight anybody that night!!!your clutching at straws...check HOLYS fights against grandad Foreman and Tysons replacement dustbin Bert Cooper and his level in 1991 wouldn't good enough to compete to live with Tyson in 1991,Holy was getting smacked up by 2 fighters not in Tysons class,judge both fighters in 1991,their size,their capacity,HOLY only had 2 world title fights by 1991...Tyson was a seasoned wrecking ball,it would be a points win or a TKO for Tyson,its easy to judge if they met in 1991..you can gage the outcome from checking HOLYS performances against Foreman and Cooper otherwise your being ignorant

Conditioning had nothing to do with it, Tyson wasn't even tierd in the fight with Buster Douglas at all, Mike just can't fight on the outside and was getting beat on the inside, because he just came across a better al around Boxer who was finally in shape, Conditioning had nothing to do with Mike"s limited offensive abilities like short arms and being 5 ft 11 and not being able to outbox someone on the outside and not being able to outbox someone on the inside.

Their is no way Mike is winning this fight unless he gets lucky with a power punch, but Buster could take his power like Evander did. Mike even hit Buster with some great power shots and Buster still kept coming at Mike knowing he would get hit, Mike could win at least 2 fights out of 10 against Douglas but Tyson would never beat Douglas, like Buster Douglas beat Mike, never, ever, Buster will always beat Tyson"s ass every time they fight each other book it.

Watch the Hole fight again, Mike gets his ass beat, big time and Tyson wasn't even tierd in this fight, he actually fought the same way in fights before this and even fought the same way after this, the only thing is he got the knockout in the wins after this fight.

I did the same thing you are doing with Mike and I am a big Tyson fan, I said he wasn't in-flight shape or not 100% mentally ready, because i was young and didn't understand Boxing styles and certain fighters natural God given advantages and ability. Until i learned more and watched the Evander vs Tyson fight and Bowe vs Holyfield fight and watched the Lennox Lewis vs Tua fight and more then I understood styles and advantages in the Ring in the Streets aka Street fighting and in MMA/UFC fighting.

Certain fighters can just never beat other fighters unless they get lucky with an injury or a freak knock out, that's just the way it is .

Watch these full fights and learn, like i did.

Lennox Lewis v s David Tua
If David Tua fought Lennox Lewis 10 times, Lennox would win 10 of the 10 fights, if Lennox was 100% when they fight. Because Tua is to limited in his style and to handicapped with his short arms and short body, he can't beat Lennox on the outside and never will and he can't beat Lennox on the inside, because Lennox is to gifted of a boxer.



Tyson vs Douglas FULL FIGHT
Mike got his ass beat in this fight, no excuses, Mike wasn't even winded and had good legs and got up from that upper-cut, right hand, with shaky but strong legs, but was out on his feet.


Mike had 2 chances to beat this man Holyfield, at 31 years old what makes anybody think he's doing it in a 3rd fight or when he was a little younger, Tyson was only 31 years old at the time, with no symptoms of brain trauma, like Riddick Bowe after the Golota fight., the only problem Mike had was acting stupid like a thug.

Mike Tyson - Evander Holyfield 1


Mike Tyson Vs Evander Holyfield 2 1997


When that knock out doesn't come and you can't fight on the outside and outbox your opponents, what then do you do Mike Tyson? Bit someones ear off and then claim fouls. Tyson will never beat Evander, he had 2 tries and he didn't even last 12 rounds each time.

 

[danny casso]

Conditioning had nothing to do with it, Tyson wasn't even tierd in the fight with Buster Douglas at all, Mike just can't fight on the outside and was getting beat on the inside, because he just came across a better al around Boxer who was finally in shape, Conditioning had nothing to do with Mike"s limited offensive abilities like short arms and being 5 ft 11 and not being able to outbox someone on the outside and not being able to outbox someone on the inside.

Their is no way Mike is winning this fight unless he gets lucky with a power punch, but Buster could take his power like Evander did. Mike even hit Buster with some great power shots and Buster still kept coming at Mike knowing he would get hit, Mike could win at least 2 fights out of 10 against Douglas but Tyson would never beat Douglas, like Buster Douglas beat Mike, never, ever, Buster will always beat Tyson"s ass every time they fight each other book it.

Watch the Hole fight again, Mike gets his ass beat, big time and Tyson wasn't even tierd in this fight, he actually fought the same way in fights before this and even fought the same way after this, the only thing is he got the knockout in the wins after this fight.

I did the same thing you are doing with Mike and I am a big Tyson fan, I said he wasn't in-flight shape or not 100% mentally ready, because i was young and didn't understand Boxing styles and certain fighters natural God given advantages and ability. Until i learned more and watched the Evander vs Tyson fight and Bowe vs Holyfield fight and watched the Lennox Lewis vs Tua fight and more then I understood styles and advantages in the Ring in the Streets aka Street fighting and in MMA/UFC fighting. lets agree to disagree<45><45>

Certain fighters can just never beat other fighters unless they get lucky with an injury or a freak knock out, that's just the way it is .

Watch these full fights and learn, like i did.

Lennox Lewis v s David Tua
If David Tua fought Lennox Lewis 10 times, Lennox would win 10 of the 10 fights, if Lennox was 100% when they fight. Because Tua is to limited in his style and to handicapped with his short arms and short body, he can't beat Lennox on the outside and never will and he can't beat Lennox on the inside, because Lennox is to gifted of a boxer.



Tyson vs Douglas FULL FIGHT
Mike got his ass beat in this fight, no excuses, Mike wasn't even winded and had good legs and got up from that upper-cut, right hand, with shaky but strong legs, but was out on his feet.


Mike had 2 chances to beat this man Holyfield, at 31 years old what makes anybody think he's doing it in a 3rd fight or when he was a little younger, Tyson was only 31 years old at the time, with no symptoms of brain trauma, like Riddick Bowe after the Golota fight., the only problem Mike had was acting stupid like a thug.

Mike Tyson - Evander Holyfield 1


Mike Tyson Vs Evander Holyfield 2 1997


When that knock out doesn't come and you can't fight on the outside and outbox your opponents, what then do you do Mike Tyson? Bit someones ear off and then claim fouls. Tyson will never beat Evander, he had 2 tries and he didn't even last 12 rounds each time.

I'm pretty fucking sure Holyfield had unified the cruiserweight division before 1991 and you are talking out of your ass. Can you please now fuck off and leave this forum so sensible people can have a discussion.

 

[danny casso]

Treelo..you got no clue about boxing!!! in 1991 holyfield still had the weight,size,power of a cruiserweight which would have not troubled Tyson one bit,he was still a built up cruiserweight,Tyson would have swallowed him up<45>