Would guys like Barao and Pettis still have something left had their corner stopped the fights.

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  1. Megalodon

    Megalodon Brown Belt

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    Guys like Barao, Petts or even JDS haven't been the same since they lost their title in dominant losses. Barao got dropped and barely survived the first round against TJ and yet his corner sent him out 4 more times even when it was clear he wasn't competing, and they did the exact same thing in the rematch.

    We need to see more corner stoppages in MMA, their corners pretty much ruined their fighters career while waiting for a hail mary win, even when it was clear they were in no way competing with their opponent.
     
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    sirmorbach These violent delights have violent ends

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    I still believe in Pettis. He can still do it, alright? Shut up. Shut up, shut up, shut up.

    Shut up.

    I ain't listening.

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    USADA probably didn't help the cause..
     
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    Megalodon Brown Belt

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    They've fallen way too hard for it to be a USADA thing imo. And when Barao was given a gimme fight after the first TJ fight he looked like shit and that was pre-USADA.

    They had the prime beat out of them.
     
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    I don't think the TJ fight has anything to do with Barao falling off. I think years of a difficult weight cut did it and 40 fights at age 31. He made that tough cut a lot and his body finally said, "fuck you."
     
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    Barao had a boxing record, he was never really any good IMO
    The only fight where I thought he looked a world beater was against Pickett
     
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    Readybodisready Red Belt

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    That's the nature of title fights. Too important for the fighters and teams involved.

    What's the 'earliest' stoppage loss for a champion in the UFC?
     
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    I think it is a mix of usada, the game evolving, and wear and tear.

    Not so much Pettis but barao has over 40 fights remember
     
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    I see what you did there.
     
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    Megalodon Brown Belt

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    His win streak is padded but the Faber and McDonald wins were legit, he fought all the guys Cruz should have been fighting.
     
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    First Faber fight he won via doing slightly more than the nothing Faber was doing and McDonald had his moments
    Not world beater territory to me

    However I'd be lying if I said I saw the TJ upset coming, I did not think he was the man for the job at all
     
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    The problem is, fights like Elkins vs Bektic is what gives people hope.

    Plus all the brutal weight cuts destroyed Baraos body. Tbh, he should be fighting at 155.
     
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    The Sara McMann vs Marion Reneua fight last night is a perfect example on why corners do not throw in the towel. Reneua lost the first round 10 - 8, complete domination by McMann.

    Reneua catches McMann in the second and wins via submission. Fights can change in an instant, got to give your fighter a chance.
     
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    Pettis is still pretty great. He is still competitive against real good guys.

    Barao...........Well sooner he retires is probably better for the mans health lets just say that. I wouldnt be shocked if he tried to beat some bums in Brazil but would get himself knocked out instead.

    The thing is Faber didnt lose those days and Barao beat him clearer than Cruz did. Even in the early stoppage rematch you could tell Renan had his number pretty badly. McDonald was pretty hyped up guy and many here expected him to beat Barao and dominate the division for years to come. For the time it was a damn good win.
     
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    MMAfanJabroniJew Am the reel gold medal Olympic AAU chumpion

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    I don't know if it had anything to do with the implementation of USADA , they just happened to of got beaten by superior fighters ( Cain > JDS 9 times out of 10 , TJ > Barao , and Dos anjos > Pettis ) .... and i suppose they get discouraged by those losses and just turn up for the paycheck , am not saying USADA wouldn't cause a decline in fighters athletic abilities , but psychologically fighters either win or lose based on their psychological strength , the fight game is 100% all about the mind.
     
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    That was different. She took like no damage. Hard to compare that to the JDS Cain 2/3 fights or TJ vs Barao
     
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    Fucking kills me every time someone says it's USADA when guys who have been fighting for over a decade decline lmao


    No way is it just a natural part of being involved in combat sports where you get beat the fuck up every day in training only to get beat the fuck up during your fight after beating yourself the fuck up to cut weight for 10+ years. Definitely USADA.
     
  19. The Natural Born Runner

    The Natural Born Runner All work is what!???

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    The beating that Barao took at the hands of Dillashaw definitely didn't help his longevity, but I honestly don't think that those changed him. It's too much of a coincidence that his stamina and his speed has distinctly reduced since the inception of USADA.

    Pettis? I don't think he's ever taken a career changing beating, so little confused about that one.
     
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    some people when they fall off the top of the mountain don't want to climb up the second mountain as bad as the person they are going against. I think its mental with these guys, after a hard loss at the top they can rack up some wins but just never want it like they did before they got there.
     
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