World Happiness Report 2018: Top Spots Claimed by Countries w. Northern European Socialist Model

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

# list too white
#check your privilege



Maybe someone should make an additional measurement of the US but remove the data from minority’s


So measure US murder and violent crime but don’t include acts committed by minoritys.

Measure incarceration but leave out minoritys.

Measure income,test scores, etc...but just from whites


Would be interesting to see how the rankings change

I knew it wouldnt take long for the 'blame the brown people' post to show up.

Murka would be a utopia without those pesky brown people!!!

How about lets measure all those things then compare them to the same measurements from immigrants from India, Korea, China, Nigeria and Ethiopia and see how white Murkans stack up?

 

[ultramanhyata]

Do you have universal healthcare and affordable university tuition?

If so, you are socialist by American standards.

(Not even joking.)

Dude, you throw in their strict gun laws and they're a full-blown communist dictatorship! G'Day, comrades.

 

[kahiljabroni]

I knew it wouldnt take long for the 'blame the brown people' post to show up.

Murka would be a utopia without those pesky brown people!!!

How about lets measure all those things then compare them to the same measurements from immigrants from India, Korea, China, Nigeria and Ethiopia and see how white Murkans stack up?

You left a group out. But in all honesty nobody should be afraid of statistics. You can run em anyway you want I’m not afraid of the results

 

[bobgeese]

I think they might change their tune once they experience the school shootings, homicidal cops, going into debt to pay for basic health care and not getting any paid vacation every year. Perhaps.

“Homicidal cops”




LOLOLOLOLOLLLLL


You need a math lesson. There are 63 million police encounters per year, less than a thousand officers kill someone a year. The majority of those are white. Oh, and guilty of a crime.

As for blacks, 250 killed a year. Let’s say half of those are completely innocent. That’s .0004 encounters per year that result in the death of an innocent black man. And those truly are tragedies.



There’s your lesson for the day.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

“Homicidal cops”




LOLOLOLOLOLLLLL


You need a math lesson. There are 63 million police encounters per year, less than a thousand officers kill someone a year. The majority of those are white. Oh, and guilty of a crime.

As for blacks, 250 killed a year. Let’s say half of those are completely innocent. That’s .0004 encounters per year that result in the death of an innocent black man. And those truly are tragedies.



There’s your lesson for the day.

What other developed country has cops that make you play deranged games of Simon says before they cap you?

Ill wait for your answer genius.

Like how you didn't address anything else so Ill assume you concede those parts suck about Murka.

 

[Fawlty]

Americans tend to believe that our relative unhappiness is a result of individual moral failing rather than bad policy. Yeah, we're really stupid about that.

 

[bobgeese]

What other developed country has cops that make you play deranged games of Simon says before they cap you?

Ill wait for your answer genius.

Like how you didn't address anything else so Ill assume you concede those parts suck about Murka.

I didn’t address anything else you posted because the happen extremely rarely.

Your post was an embarrassment. It’s like the only thing you know about America is what you’ve been fed by leftist propaganda.

Oh wait, that is all you know...


Well if you want to know what a big house looks like, or what a good steak tastes like, try coming here. By the way, I’ll bring you down to the ghetto and we can get some jerk chicken that will change your life. And you can admire how even our ghettos have big houses.

 

[Trotsky]

I think calling the Nordic model "socialist" is actually accurate but, considering colloquial impressions of socialism, kind of misleading.

Anyways, these studies should always be taken with some caution. What we do know, without a doubt, is that, yes, Norway/Denmark/Sweden are perpetually in the top 8.

Other than that the social democratic/democratic socialist-reformist model is certainly the best system in current existence, the rest of the rankings are less definitive given how the rankings shift.

I was under the impression that the "happiness meter" was reflective of amount "happy" spread across -- not that the upper middle class in denmark is happier than that of the US.

Not really concerned if bottom rung are happy or not

You really are an exceptional piece of shit, yeah?

 

[Trotsky]

Never been to prison, I don't do drugs, my healthcare is great, never been on welfare, I grew up lower middle class and moved up so I don't live paycheck to paycheck. Funny how all these things tie together. You're upset because criminals, junkies, social parasites and deadbeats don't have a better deal here? Fuck out of here.

Humor me, please. You show some promise, so I think you can be lead away from this reductive, moralistic nonsense.

Does the fact that a criminal underclass doesn't exist in some other countries and structurally have to exist in our country at least yield some color of an inference that these "criminals, junkies, social parasites, and deadbeats" are that by nature, but instead (at least at the margins) as an inherent design of our social order?

 

[Ice That Jaw]

This is racist propaganda bullshit. No way is the top 5 all white countries. Fuck that.

 

[panamaican]

The people make the system. Systems reflect people's disposition as a group, and form out of those dispositions over time. Please do not seperate the system created and maintained by certain people, from the people. That's comically stupid.

It's certainly interesting that some of the most unhappy countries have been the subject of a system of prolonged external governance created by certain people. So the people seemed to create multiple systems, some that advanced happiness and others that seemed to slow its progression.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

I think calling the Nordic model "socialist" is actually accurate but, considering colloquial impressions of socialism, kind of misleading.

Anyways, these studies should always be taken with some caution. What we do know, without a doubt, is that, yes, Norway/Denmark/Sweden are perpetually in the top 8.

Other than that the social democratic/democratic socialist-reformist model is certainly the best system in current existence, the rest of the rankings are less definitive given how the rankings shift.



You really are an exceptional piece of shit, yeah?

Yep, completely indifferent to the happiness of the bottom rung. If that earns me POS status in your eyes, couldn't care less about that as well.

 

[nostradumbass]

Humor me, please. You show some promise, so I think you can be lead away from this reductive, moralistic nonsense.

Does the fact that a criminal underclass doesn't exist in some other countries and structurally have to exist in our country at least yield some color of an inference that these "criminals, junkies, social parasites, and deadbeats" are that by nature, but instead (at least at the margins) as an inherent design of our social order?

Which countries with any more than half our population don't have a criminal underclass? We have 350 million people here, so we have some of everything and comparatively less than other countries of anywhere near the size. All the places that made this happiness list are pretty far down the list for population size. The only place with a big population that even tried this was USSR, and that didn't exactly go well. Some may feel differently, but I prefer choices to security, and you can't have both in such a big country.

 

[Rod1]

Which countries with any more than half our population don't have a criminal underclass? We have 350 million people here, so we have some of everything and comparatively less than other countries of anywhere near the size. All the places that made this happiness list are pretty far down the list for population size. The only place with a big population that even tried this was USSR, and that didn't exactly go well. Some may feel differently, but I prefer choices to security, and you can't have both in such a big country.

Again, why do you think the criminal underclass in inherent to the system?

Maybe its simply that these countries are smaller and thus were politically united and able to establish said system in the first place, there is virtually no excuse as to why such system cant be applied to the macro, at least at incremental steps.

Also a large country like Japan, has managed to establish a similar state with far more population density than America, the issue with their happiness isnt an underclass but cultural.

 

[Trotsky]

Which countries with any more than half our population don't have a criminal underclass? We have 350 million people here, so we have some of everything and comparatively less than other countries of anywhere near the size. All the places that made this happiness list are pretty far down the list for population size. The only place with a big population that even tried this was USSR, and that didn't exactly go well. Some may feel differently, but I prefer choices to security, and you can't have both in such a big country.

The "our population is bigger" argument is a non sequitur, friend. I have no idea why people keep going back to it. We have higher GDP per capita: that's all that matters. Other than (slightly) increased per capita cost of purely government-owned healthcare and public transit due to our rural areas, the relative population sizes are irrelevant.

Also, we have states that are meant to address the issue of effecting policy at smaller scale.

Yep, completely indifferent to the happiness of the bottom rung. If that earns me POS status in your eyes, couldn't care less about that as well.

Well, at least you're honest about it. And, yes, it does. As it will to any person who was born into or otherwise experienced poverty or misfortune.

Also, that is the absolute embodiment of privilege: being able to espouse and firmly invest oneself in an ideology that necessitates a miserable underclass and one that perpetuates itself and is increasingly hedged against actual meritocracy. It's the exact reason why ideologues, from Paul Ryan to Mao Zedong, are/will be considered idiots of history.

 

[hillelslovak87]

There are states in America that can match the quality of life in any Nordic country. A 300+ million person country is bound to have more misery, inequality and injustice compared to a tidily run, small Nordic country, though.

That America can boast to being top 20, is a feat in itself. If you compare the entire European continent to America, with the problems in East/Southern Europe, the results won't be as favourable.

Realistically you should compare North/West Europe, with North/West or North/East America. Or compare individual American states with a comparable population, to Northern European nations. Is life in Sweden better than in New York, or Connecticut? Perhaps so, but by a smaller amount compared to Detroit/Baltimore, etc.

We are starting to see, in Sweden in particular, that parts of the country are becoming more and more inequal to the rest, as the population gets more diverse (see Mälmö, or other immigrant towns). In the future, Sweden may very well be America in a microcosm.

Creighton did studies on societal health for about a decade in the 2000s. They are a christian school, and they found the more religiosity a state or nation had, the worse it was off. This was shown in models comparing US with European states, and US states vs. each other.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

Well, at least you're honest about it. And, yes, it does. As it will to any person who was born into or otherwise experienced poverty or misfortune.

Also, that is the absolute embodiment of privilege: being able to espouse and firmly invest oneself in an ideology that necessitates a miserable underclass and one that perpetuates itself and is increasingly hedged against actual meritocracy. It's the exact reason why ideologues, from Paul Ryan to Mao Zedong, are/will be considered idiots of history.

Yeah people are born poor -- or are poor due to circumstances outside their control, this is known. I simply don't give a shit, thats the breaks of life, something also seen quite often in all facets of nature. I dont begrudge them, i don't ridicule them for their misfortune as a byproduct of laziness or stupidity -- i just dont care about their lives.

What i do care about is that all those nations have a similar pre-tax poverty rate, and that i live in a country who ranks high on that list and that necessitates a much higher % of my tax dollars to bridge the gap. I also care that i spend more on taxes (as an individual, not even my household taxation contribution) than i do in mortgage, utilities, food, cars/ insurance combined -- all of which to bridge a gap (happiness or otherwise) that is of no concern to me.

Some are born privileged and some or not -- just how it is.

 

[nostradumbass]

Again, why do you think the criminal underclass in inherent to the system?

Maybe its simply that these countries are smaller and thus were politically united and able to establish said system in the first place, there is virtually no excuse as to why such system cant be applied to the macro, at least at incremental steps.

Also a large country like Japan, has managed to establish a similar state with far more population density than America, the issue with their happiness isnt an underclass but cultural.

The "our population is bigger" argument is a non sequitur, friend. I have no idea why people keep going back to it. We have higher GDP per capita: that's all that matters. Other than (slightly) increased per capita cost of purely government-owned healthcare and public transit due to our rural areas, the relative population sizes are irrelevant.

Also, we have states that are meant to address the issue of effecting policy at smaller scale.

I don't believe it is a non sequitur. The larger a country, the more difficult accountability becomes. It would require a massive gov't with far more moving parts, places for money to go missing and much more difficult to even calculate costs with any accuracy. We also don't have a homogeneous culture with like values to give any kind assurance that there would be even comparable contribution among all the different demographic groups. China and Russia weren't exactly raging successes.

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

Yep, completely indifferent to the happiness of the bottom rung. If that earns me POS status in your eyes, couldn't care less about that as well.

That's cool. Just don't whine like a little bish when the 'lower rung' votes to increase your taxes and take money out of your pocket playa.

 

[JudoThrowFiasco]

That's cool. Just don't whine like a little bish when the 'lower rung' votes to increase your taxes and take money out of your pocket playa.

Of course i will, just like you bitch when upper classes vote to take money out of your pocket. Bitching is fine, its politics.