Without any snark or sarcasm list things you respect about the ideology opposite of yours.

[HunterSdVa29]

??? I don't think you know what identity politics means. Sounds like you're just using the term to refer to any liberal social policy preference?

so trans rights aren't a form of identity politics?

seriously?

I can pull the wiki definition if I have to, I can't actually fathom you're saying this right now

Identity politics refers to political positions based on the interests and perspectives of social groups with which people identify. Identity politics includes the ways in which people's politics are shaped by aspects of their identity through loosely correlated social organizations. Examples include social organizations based on age, religion, social class or caste, culture, dialect, disability, education, ethnicity, language, nationality, sex, gender identity, generation, occupation, profession, race, political party affiliation, sexual orientation, settlement, urban and rural habitation, and veteran status. Not all members of any given group are involved in identity politics. Identity politics are used by minority and civil rights organizations to form a coalition with members of the majority.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

I am looking for conservative but sympathetic views that were about honesty, integrity, and doing right by your fellow man, like my old school grandfather's generation had, but I just don't see anything like that in the GOP anymore.

 

[Jack V Savage]

so trans rights aren't a form of identity politics?

seriously?

I can pull the wiki definition if I have to, I can't actually fathom you're saying this right now

No one's rights are a form of identity politics.

Pull it. Or better yet, do even more research. I agree that if you stupidly define "identity politics" from the left as supporting civil rights for everyone, it's not a fringe position. Generally, we're talking about cases where people vote not on the basis of party platforms but on the basis of membership in subgroups based on personal identity. Hence the point that it's long been the dominant mode in the South and that on the left, it necessarily must be a fringe position.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

No one's rights are a form of identity politics.

Pull it. Or better yet, do even more research. I agree that if you stupidly define "identity politics" from the left as supporting civil rights for everyone, it's not a fringe position.

hahahah

ok man, we're definitely gonna agree to disagree on this one

literally 'gender identity' is one of the main listed groups

a celebrity literally GOT OFF of manslaughter charges by playing this exact identity politic, just saying

 

[Jack V Savage]

hahahah

ok man, we're definitely gonna agree to disagree on this one

literally 'gender identity' is one of the main listed groups

a celebrity literally GOT OFF of manslaughter charges by playing this exact identity politic, just saying

It's funny how you get so thrown off by basic term definitions. You're seriously confused here, and you should do some more research.

If you want a good example, look at posters like @Lionel Mandrake, who generally doesn't seem to agree with GOP policies but votes for them because he associates them with being the party of whites and his ethnic identity is more important to him than policy preferences.

 

[HunterSdVa29]

It's funny how you get so thrown off by basic term definitions. You're seriously confused here, and you should do some more research.

If you want a good example, look at posters like @Lionel Mandrake, who generally doesn't seem to agree with GOP policies but votes for them because he associates them with being the party of whites and his ethnic identity is more important to him than policy preferences.

not thrown off whatsoever, not even in the slightest, far from confused as well.

I do live in the objective real world though

 

[Jack V Savage]

not thrown off whatsoever, not even in the slightest, far from confused as well.

I do live in the objective real world though

You're ignorant here, standing behind a weird misunderstanding, and reacting like a maniac to someone dropping basic, widely known facts.

 

[franklinstower]

I like the individualism of the right-- the notion and feeling that we should and can do it all ourselves with no government aid. I think they are ultimately wrong about this but I DO admire the basic impulse.

I like the social conservatism especially in the area of sexuality in its basic impulse also, even though I think the way it is applied is basically usually wrong.

 

[SSOTO]

I do agree with liberals on certain issues though and I generally like liberal people more. I’m center right but I generally dont like people further to the right than me even if I may agree with the ideology and ways of thinking.

Interesting. I'm to the left of Bernie Sanders ( except on guns) but I get along with right wingers better than lefties ( in general) as long as politics doesn't come up.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

The opposite ideology of mine would probably be partisanship. I guess I respect one's ability to join a team and commit to backing them up regardless of the hypocrisy involved. In that sense, individualism fucks with your sense of belonging.

 

[Possum Jenkins]

I admire the right doesn't have any real convictions at all. They're willing to change their belief system at the drop of a hat. They never embarrass and will say anything even if it's 100% wrong.

Trump winning something like 3/4 of Evangelical Christians was absolutely glorious.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Trump winning something like 3/4 of Evangelical Christians was absolutely glorious.

Yeah they don’t even care and aren’t embarrassed by the instant flip of their moral positions. It’s like a walk in the park to these people

 

[Possum Jenkins]

And there are a lot of aspects of traditionally right-wing thinking I do that for. For example, I think that we should tread very carefully with regard to making changes in society (and that policy with good intentions often has bad results); that people are happiest when they have a place in society and social connections that are bigger than the family (the most important one, however) and friends, and smaller than political units (churches would be the classic example here); that free markets are generally the best way to distribute goods and services in a country, and that free markets have done more to lift people out of poverty than anything else yet devised; that freedom without responsibility and structure is a curse; and that we should hold political leaders up to the highest moral standards.

I really don't think this is a right-left issue. Leftists aren't isolationists or these staunch individualists that find no use for civil society. If anything, that's a more right-wing idea. Remember, they're the rugged individualists that love freedom, leftists are the collectivist statists that want everyone to hold hands and help out.

Solidarity, social cohesion, and community have been important to leftists, they just point out that often, these things have been exclusionary. Churches and schools have been segregated, neighborhoods wouldn't allow CERTAIN type of people in, etc.

 

[Byron Carter]

I admire their persistence, even after seeing the chaos and destruction that socialism has left all over history, they still stick to the ideology.

 

[Codpiece]

The left is
1. More embracing with intellectualism on most issues.
2. Essential for the progress of a society as it becomes feasible and/or acceptable
3. The compassionate leaning mindset that you need involved to help prevent certain groups from being left behind

Good thread @Essie !

I can't say I really identify with either the political right or the left as they currently stand in the United States. I'm a centrist with more conservative social leanings, there really isn't an "opposite" for me aside from the lunatic fringe left and the ultra right white supremacists, neither of which really represent their "side".

That said, point #3 really resonated with me.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I really don't think this is a right-left issue. Leftists aren't isolationists or these staunch individualists that find no use for civil society. If anything, that's a more right-wing idea. Remember, they're the rugged individualists that love freedom, leftists are the collectivist statists that want everyone to hold hands and help out.

Solidarity, social cohesion, and community have been important to leftists, they just point out that often, these things have been exclusionary. Churches and schools have been segregated, neighborhoods wouldn't allow CERTAIN type of people in, etc.

Well, see, that last part gets to the heart of the issue. The left--both liberals and the far left--is more universalist (as opposed to tribalist--which is a more right-wing view). You need an out-group to have an in-group. I'm a liberal myself, but I think there is merit to the conservative view here, and I'm not sure how to resolve the problem, but I recognize a weakness in left-wing ideology. I think Marxists have wanted to substitute class solidarity for other forms, but that project appears to me to have been a failure. I think in theory unionism could work, but we're not close to being there now.

Liberalism has mostly been a huge success, but one failure is that a lot of people are left aching for a sense of community. That's really what "SJWism" is about--a sense that some people not part of the in-group in society and that that should be changed. The alt-right, I think, is driven by a sense that multiculturalism divides us and being more homogeneous would make America feel more like a community (a misguided view on several levels).

 

[JDragon]

Great thread.

While I believe the right should place higher emphasis of facts over feelings (or in other words, of science over personal experience), I have found right-wingers to be more likely to change their views based on personal experiences. For example, if a right-wing xenophobe is exposed to foreigners and has good experiences, he may change his stance. A left-winger who makes a positive experience with, say, right-wingers will be more likely to treat those as an exception to the rule.

I respect the rooting in traditional family values (would elaborate but on mobile).

I feel the right is more pragmatic in many cases.

May add more

 

[SBJJ]

I'd love to hear both why and what you propose instead?

Consumption tax

The Rich are always shielded by the tax code. Make it a consumption tax with rebates for those making less than say, 45k

Im also ok with cap gains taxes

 

[SBJJ]

That's not an idea held by a major party, just by fringe libertarian types.

Which shows u even though I'm a radical in that sense I can still respect others opinions

 

[SBJJ]

I was tempted to ask as well but every time I do I get some nutty answer, so I passed.

Sucks that you are so combative and are so easy to throw out insults. Really sucks that Neph would even like a post like that.

Learn to communicate and carry conversations without resorting to childish insults

Lastly, can you name 2 times you've asked me to explain things and got nutty answers. Or were you just telling tall tales