Will Rizin become big as Pride and compete with Ufc?

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  1. EndlessCritic

    EndlessCritic Gold Belt

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    Yeah UFC is C-tier mma promotion because they don't feature tekken.
     
  2. capo245

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    Perception is the key in the 2000s a champ would try to become undisputed by getting the major belts. After dana white saw 2x in a row the „best mma fighters if all time“ nanely lidell and metzger gerting theyre ass kicked in the quarter finals he necer co promoted again. Its a fact 90% if the ufc roster are cans especially the stars mcnugget steroid jones abd more. anderson silva, vitor belfort, lidell all got theyre ass kicked in japan. And dana white promotes jon jones getting his arm nearly snapped off by a 40+ no trt vitor as sign that jon jones is the goat. Ufc greats would get theyre asses kicked by ksw and ucmma as seen with mcnugget (0-2 in the uk).
     
  3. Andrew784

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    The biggest question really is when does Conor McGregor start promoting and running his own shows. That changes everything if Ufc stops giving him special treament because he will bounce. Him and Dana are going to have a falling out soon because of a power struggle. Conor may end up buying a Rizin in 2 or 3 years and promoting a superior rule set than UFC against Dana.
     
  4. leto1776

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    Keep dreaming. He just signed like an 8-fight deal with them
     
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  5. Andrew784

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    He ain't fighting 8 more times lol.
     
  6. FrankieNYC

    FrankieNYC "My balls was hot!" Platinum Member

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    He can't do anything without UFC
    He signed a 6 fight contract
    He is tied to UFC
     
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  7. FrankieNYC

    FrankieNYC "My balls was hot!" Platinum Member

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    Its 6 (not 8) & he doesn't have to fight
    He still owes UFC fights so he cannot compete elsewhere (the point of the contract)
     
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    FrankieNYC "My balls was hot!" Platinum Member

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    It was 6
    but you understand the point of the contract ;)
     
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    FrankieNYC "My balls was hot!" Platinum Member

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    I think that is a pretty safe bet

    229 did over 5x Bellator's 2017
     
  10. JkMMA

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    I guess Argentina fighting championship will surpass rizin then.
     
  11. JkMMA

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    I would love for it to be as big as ufc/pride. I’m assuming it’ll be pretty damn big. We just gotta wait and see tho.
     
  12. Kinger85

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    DAZN is not big in Japan.

    Streaming services in Japan have not taken (in comparison to other countries)
     
  13. Jay_Winter

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    People are always pining for the next PRIDE, but the further I look back at those days, the less I believe we'll ever have a time like that again.

    As for being PRIDE, but women's division.... I don't know, probably because I don't particularly care about women fighting. Their big hope was Rena, I assume, and that's looking a little uncertain, so... well, like the guy said, Rome wasn't built in a day. But I don't really see anything in the here and now that screams PRIDE.
     
  14. moreorless87

    moreorless87 Listening In

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    Part of the problem is that MMA(and K-1) in Japanj during its peak wasn't popular in the way the UFC is popular in the US today, it was popular in the way mainstream sports are pulling up to 50% of the entire TV viewership(obviously lower most of the time but still very significant). A lot of the money the fighters were earning was actually though exploiting that doing TV commercials and the like.

    Its not like MMA interest in Japan is dead but its dropped back to the same kind of level we see in the US sans Conor and without much PPV culture that's not going to bring in massive amounts of money.
     
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    I guess it depends what you determine as huge. Kakutougi sports as a whole were arguably bigger in Japan from early to mid 2000's than combat sports have been anywhere else on the planet at any point in history (maybe muay thai in Thailand?). Combat sports enjoying a mainstream success like they did in Japan back then is very rare.
     
  16. M.A.G.A.

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    They'll need Yakuza money to be #1
     
  17. BeardotheWeirdo

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    Highly unlikely, but the crowd was going nuts for Tenshin and Horiguchi at the last event. That's a start.

    I don't think it's arguable. Unless you count Roman times.

    Muay Thai is just one sport, there's been many highly popular combat sports in Japan.
     
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    You have to remember how PRIDE gained a foothold in the first place.

    It was basically put together as a showcase for Rickson Gracie vs Nobuhiku Takada

    The allure of the best fighter in the Gracie family (who already got more notoriety in Japan thanks to his appearances World Open Vale Tudo/Japan Vale Tudo) against their very popular Pro Wrestler Takada brought the fans and media interest in.

    So it was a combination of Gracie mystique and pro wrestling popularity that got PRIDE off the ground running, even though there were already other MMA promotions (Pancrase, JVT, Shooto, etc.) established at the time.

    Then other Japanese fighters grew from those fledgling PRIDE shows like Shoji and Sakuraba and to a lesser extent, Otsuka (who got a major bump for outlasting Marco Ruas in PRIDE 4--which also had Rickson Gracie and Takada's 2nd bout.)

    Without something that will really bring in the viewers ("casual interest" as it's called) like a Rickson vs Takada match and homegrown Japanese fighters that are popular/winning, there isn't much chance for Rizin to get anywhere.

    Not to mention the lack of overall interest in combat sports in Japan overall. I would never have thought that K-1 would die like it did. Even Sumo, the national sport, is far less popular than it used to be.

    If Japan can't find their own national combat sport interesting, I can't really see MMA getting much bigger today either.
     
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  19. kingcillo24

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    Japan is one of DAZN's biggest markets right now.
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  20. Yrat

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    Well guys looks like I was right because Rizin has not Floyd :)

    We can now see Deontay Wilder in Rizin soon
     
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