Will Atlanta's new stadium be done in time for the NFL season? Update: more delays possible

[therealdope]

I don't know anything about this project but if it's like any other large construction project, the structure is the only part that moves serially. Once the structure is in place, they can do electrical, plumbing, and hardware (seats, railing, etc) in parallel.

Are they planning grass or field turf?

 

[Rozko]

What was the problem with the stadium? They both seat basically the same number of people and it worked before. Lambeau field seats 80,000 and has never hosted a Super Bowl. I assume because of the cold weather and the outdoor venue. They say the new Atlanta stadium can be converted to seat 75,000 instead of 71,000 for a Super Bowl. Why not have 75,000 seats for every game?

I live near Green Bay and their is fuck all in Green Bay to support a Super Bowl. They don't have the hotels needed to host the tourists. People would be traveling to/from Milwaukee (2 hours away) to find a hotel. The I-41 would be at a standstill from Appleton to Green Bay before and after the game. There is not a taxi/rental car base to support it. The people showing up the week before the game would have nothing to see or do in the area except hit a couple of shitty casinos on the reservations or binge drink like the locals. The only classy night life is in Appleton and the PAC is too small to really have a major impact on entertainment for the tourists. Also no one wants to deal with the bullshit weather that takes place in February.

A white out blizzard during the Super Bowl would be a fantastic Dumpster fire to watch though.

 

[madizm2]

Are they planning grass or field turf?

Synthetic wheatgrass

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Isn't the Georgia Dome big enough for soccer?

I see there is somebody in the new stadium tonight working on the roof sections sitting on the floor. I wonder if they had to modify something.

Probably too many empty seats maybe.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

I live near Green Bay and their is fuck all in Green Bay to support a Super Bowl. They don't have the hotels needed to host the tourists. People would be traveling to/from Milwaukee (2 hours away) to find a hotel. The I-41 would be at a standstill from Appleton to Green Bay before and after the game. There is not a taxi/rental car base to support it. The people showing up the week before the game would have nothing to see or do in the area except hit a couple of shitty casinos on the reservations or binge drink like the locals. The only classy night life is in Appleton and the PAC is too small to really have a major impact on entertainment for the tourists. Also no one wants to deal with the bullshit weather that takes place in February.

A white out blizzard during the Super Bowl would be a fantastic Dumpster fire to watch though.

They can somehow afford a team, and pay all the great players like Rodgers, Matthews, and I forget who else. How do they do it?

 

[MadSquabbles500]

I never understood why stadiums in the US are so generic looking compared to European ones.
I like how the US is finally building some cool looking stadiumso.

Viking Stadium is the shit!

Are the Euro stadiums private built? In US, teams threaten to move unless municipality builds them or at least takes a huge chunk of cost. Maybe that is why they are generic looking. To save dollars.

 

[therealdope]

They can somehow afford a team, and pay all the great players like Rodgers, Matthews, and I forget who else. How do they do it?

TV revenue, merchandising, every game is sold out, low operating costs (location), and team is publicly owned so you don't have the 'owners' pilfering money from the team to support their spending habits.

 

[ralphc1]

I live near Green Bay and their is fuck all in Green Bay to support a Super Bowl. They don't have the hotels needed to host the tourists. People would be traveling to/from Milwaukee (2 hours away) to find a hotel. The I-41 would be at a standstill from Appleton to Green Bay before and after the game. There is not a taxi/rental car base to support it. The people showing up the week before the game would have nothing to see or do in the area except hit a couple of shitty casinos on the reservations or binge drink like the locals. The only classy night life is in Appleton and the PAC is too small to really have a major impact on entertainment for the tourists. Also no one wants to deal with the bullshit weather that takes place in February.

A white out blizzard during the Super Bowl would be a fantastic Dumpster fire to watch though.

You realize that it would be the same number of people, [80,000] attending a Super Bowl as attending any current Packer game? The Airventure fly in at Oshkosh 57 miles from Green Bay has about 85,000 attendees per day for it's 7 day run. Area hotels would set up bus trips for the game. The risk of winter weather is there for Minnesota and Detroit too but they had them. The outdoor stadium is the big difference. An NFC championship game could happen in late January in Green Bay with the same weather.

They had it outdoors in New York which could also be subject to winter weather and got lucky. I doubt that Green Bay would want a Super Bowl with the conditions the NFL puts on it.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-requirements-for-super-bowls-host-city-leaked/

 

[Dizzy]

You realize that it would be the same number of people, [80,000] attending a Super Bowl as attending any current Packer game?

Yes, the amount of people in the stands would be the same. The amount of media and people travelling into the city would skyrocket.

 

[ralphc1]

I don't know anything about this project but if it's like any other large construction project, the structure is the only part that moves serially. Once the structure is in place, they can do electrical, plumbing, and hardware (seats, railing, etc) in parallel.

Are they planning grass or field turf?

I don't know how sealed up these indoor facilities are as far as the seating areas go. I would assume they have the ability to hose them down for cleaning. The luxury boxes are probably like individual houses so they are probably working on them under the other seating areas.

I watched the work on the Minnesota stadium and most of the inside work went on after the roof was closed in and that was done in October. They are doing other work in Atlanta like the air conditioning system with suspended platforms. Much of the floor space is taken up by the roof sections and the cranes assembling them as well as the massive cranes that will lift them into position. They have to move one crane to move another.

 

[Pliny Pete]

You realize that it would be the same number of people, [80,000] attending a Super Bowl as attending any current Packer game? The Airventure fly in at Oshkosh 57 miles from Green Bay has about 85,000 attendees per day for it's 7 day run. Area hotels would set up bus trips for the game. The risk of winter weather is there for Minnesota and Detroit too but they had them. The outdoor stadium is the big difference. An NFC championship game could happen in late January in Green Bay with the same weather.

They had it outdoors in New York which could also be subject to winter weather and got lucky. I doubt that Green Bay would want a Super Bowl with the conditions the NFL puts on it.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-requirements-for-super-bowls-host-city-leaked/

Over a million people visited San Francisco for the Super Bowl a couple years ago
Dont think Green Bay is equipped to handle something like that

 

[Rozko]

You realize that it would be the same number of people, [80,000] attending a Super Bowl as attending any current Packer game? The Airventure fly in at Oshkosh 57 miles from Green Bay has about 85,000 attendees per day for it's 7 day run. Area hotels would set up bus trips for the game. The risk of winter weather is there for Minnesota and Detroit too but they had them. The outdoor stadium is the big difference. An NFC championship game could happen in late January in Green Bay with the same weather.

They had it outdoors in New York which could also be subject to winter weather and got lucky. I doubt that Green Bay would want a Super Bowl with the conditions the NFL puts on it.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-requirements-for-super-bowls-host-city-leaked/

EAA shuts down Oshkosh because of the traffic, large numbers of the people that come camp out on the grounds or are from the local area itself.

The 80k that attend games primarily come from the Fox Valley and 41 gets murdered because of the traffic.

 

[Rozko]

They can somehow afford a team, and pay all the great players like Rodgers, Matthews, and I forget who else. How do they do it?

They sell out every game, merchandise sales are through the roof, profit sharing from tv deals, the salary cap keeps player payouts in check, and the Packers do not have traditional ownership taking profits.

 

[ralphc1]

Over a million people visited San Francisco for the Super Bowl a couple years ago
Dont think Green Bay is equipped to handle something like that

I assume that is based on the NFL projections on how many people the game will bring in. The game attendance was only 71,088. Where did everybody else go? City services were projected to cost $5 million. They use some questionable book keeping to get the numbers. Here is how they arrive at some figures;

Super Bowl City Attendance:
960,000
– Opening weekend (1/30‐1/31): 200,000
–Final weekend (2/6‐2/7): 300,000
– Monday: 60,000
–Tuesday: 60,000
– Wednesday: 75,000
– Thursday: 90,000
–Friday: 175,000

I'd be willing to bet that 95% of the people in attendance were there more than one day if not almost every day.

http://s79f01z693v3ecoes3yyjsg1.wpe...ontent/uploads/2016/05/SB-50-May-9-2016-1.pdf

There is a difference between the number of people walking through the turnstiles and the number of people who attended. One person going all 9 days is counted as 9 people. A large number of the people going to the venues are those living in the vicinity and not those coming from out of town and staying in local hotels.

Even the passengers on the transit system on a daily basis can be divided by 2 because they make a trip to the venue and a trip back where they came from.

The report estimates that 300K people from out of town visited for the Super Bowl and doesn't list the criteria for out of town. Do people from Oakland count?

The airport only shows 61,000 more passengers deplaning than the previous year in the same nine day period. This would seem to be a much better indicator of the actual number of visitors.

Another good indicator would be a comparison of hotel occupancy. They show 60 to 90% occupancy of the 34,000 rooms. 90% occupancy at 2 people per room would be 61,200 people. Not anywhere near a million people but very close to the airport figures.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Wait, this years Superbowl is in Green Bay?

DAfuq?

 

[ralphc1]

Wait, this years Superbowl is in Green Bay?

DAfuq?

Green Bay will never get a Super Bowl. The city won't bid enough to get one and the NFL won't trust the weather.

I was just pointing out that Lambeau holds more people than many of the stadiums where the game has been and will be. They are being held in cold weather cities like Detroit and Minneapolis. Cities are starting to question the cost vs benefits of hosting one.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

Green Bay will never get a Super Bowl. The city won't bid enough to get one and the NFL won't trust the weather.

I was just pointing out that Lambeau holds more people than many of the stadiums where the game has been and will be. They are being held in cold weather cities like Detroit and Minneapolis. Cities are starting to question the cost vs benefits of hosting one.

Well Lambeau as I understand it is like a college stadium. Isnt it all bleachers and benches like college stadiums. College Stadiums hold like 100K.

 

[therealdope]

They sell out every game, merchandise sales are through the roof, profit sharing from tv deals, the salary cap keeps player payouts in check, and the Packers do not have traditional ownership taking profits.

Also, ownership does not use the team bank account for their personal spending habits --- which happens with all of the other teams.

 

[ralphc1]

Well Lambeau as I understand it is like a college stadium. Isnt it all bleachers and benches like college stadiums. College Stadiums hold like 100K.

It is mostly benches because it's easier to clean the snow. There are only 8 college college stadiums that hold 100k or more. 5 that hold 90K or more, 11 that hold 80K or more.

 

[MadSquabbles500]

It is mostly benches because it's easier to clean the snow. There are only 8 college college stadiums that hold 100k or more. 5 that hold 90K or more, 11 that hold 80K or more.

I think 80K is still more than most pro arenas.