Wilder vs Ortiz close for Barclays in October

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Who wins and how, Wilder or Ortiz?

Poll closed Sep 26, 2017.
  1. Wilder by KO

    41.0%
  2. Wilder by decision

    6.6%
  3. Ortiz by KO

    41.0%
  4. Ortiz by decision

    4.9%
  5. Al Haymon is protecting Wilder from some other opponent

    6.6%
  1. jm0b

    jm0b Puncher of Holes

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    Good points.

    He's got thunder in both hands and good movement, I think he could be in and amongst the best of the division if the right circumstances are met.
     
  2. PUO3

    PUO3 You are a can. Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Apparently Stiverne no showed a mandatory drug test. That should throw a wrench in his plans to stop this fight.
     
  3. Jonny Ninja

    Jonny Ninja Brown Belt

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    I'd say the same for Joshua as well! Ortiz has very good fundamentals and it'd be a tough fight. Wilders way to open and my money would be on Joshua knocking him out by mid rounds
     
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    Jonny Ninja Brown Belt

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    I think the fact that he fought on a couple of hearns ppv cards is the only reason his name is even recognised over here. I'll be honest I'd only ever seen him fight once or twice before that
     
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  5. PUO3

    PUO3 You are a can. Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Really think Wilder/Joshua ends with the first to land the big punch. They both have shit defense and have been hurt multiple times. I see both of them looking for the kill the moment the other is hurt. Joshua gave Wlad his due respect there, cant see him doing that with Wilder.
     
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  6. treelo

    treelo Brown Belt

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    the main issue with this is, that Joshua has been hurt by guys who genuinly punch, and has survived, we really don't know how Wilder is going to react when he gets popped by someone with a big shot as he has fought stiffs
     
  7. PUO3

    PUO3 You are a can. Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Im not doubting Joshuas toughness. Wilder, although he can get sloppy, doesnt let off the gas once he smells blood.

    I didnt see that killer urgency from Whyte or Wlad.
     
  8. aries

    aries Red Belt

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    Wilder is known to the boxing public here in the UK, maybe not so much the casual fan but no one apart from boxing hardcore know Ortiz. Why would they fight a dangerous opponent like Ortiz if they would have big problems promoting the fight, it just doesn't make sense. I agree Ortiz is a bad style matchup but that's not the only reason they won't want to fight him. As I said if Ortiz pulls the upset and beats Wilder then AJ will have Ortiz as his next opponent. It's an easy sell to market it as the man that beat Wilder plus with a belt to go with it.
     
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  9. PUO3

    PUO3 You are a can. Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Its amazing how hypocritical this is for this forum. Since its Joshua its ok to avoid the hard fight because it doesnt sell as well?

    I can think of a lot of other fighters who got shit on for taking the bigger $ opponents. I dont have a problem with it, I believe strongly in athletes maximizing their earning potential. But man, this forum loves to shit on fighters who do this same thing.
     
  10. aries

    aries Red Belt

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    Yes because we know that he will fight Ortiz if he beats Wilder because people will know who he is. That's how promotion works. And he just got done fighting a hard fight against Wlad so we know that he doesn't just avoid hard fights. Wlad is a lot easier to sell than Ortiz. Ortiz needs to get some name recognition which he should do with this Wilder fight.
     
  11. cottagecheesefan

    cottagecheesefan Silver Belt

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    Best news I have heard all day.

    He, Stiverne, posts videos on IG training. Dude looks slow and unmotivated in everything he posts. No way he does any better vs Wilder, in fact, he would get stopped badly at this point.
     
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  12. PUO3

    PUO3 You are a can. Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    You totally missed the point.
     
  13. Sunfish

    Sunfish Martinez Belt

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    I don't crime anyone for taking more money. Unless it's gay for pay I doubt most people turn down earning more cash.
     
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    Completely different, Joshua isn't 'avoiding' a guy like Ortiz to go and fight some easy pay check in his hometown, he's fighting better guys, who happen to make more money as well. You're not avoiding anyone in the HW division if you're fighting Wlad after that amount of fights.

    I really don't get this idea that Ortiz is a hard style match up for Joshua, he's a stationary target with slow feet, and that pretty much ends it there against Joshua. If you can't get out of the way of his onslaughts, you're not going to get very far. Guys like Wlad and Wilder who move a lot better are much harder fights.
     
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    Gotta agree. Ortiz doesn't stay in shape for Joshua and he will get caught. Wlad is an enigma.
     
  16. aries

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    Really? How so....
     
  17. aries

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    Exactly. I could understand the criticism if AJ has just got done beating up another Dillian Whyte level fighter but he just fought Wlad who though getting on in years is a force to be reckoned with. Wlad is a much tougher fight than Ortiz. And oh look rather than fight Ortiz, AJ is giving Wlad his rematch. Hardly ducking in any sense of the word.
     
  18. PUO3

    PUO3 You are a can. Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Its not completely different whatsoever. Joshua gets a pass for not being interested in Ortiz because "it doesnt sell". Many, many other fighters get shit on for that.

    Ortiz is a widely better boxer than AJ. Hes got good hand speed and slick combos, big power in his own right. This whole footwork nonsense has gotten so wildly blown out of proportion lately. Bouncing around on your feet means absolutely zero if youre still getting hit with bombs. Something the "better movers Wilder and Wlad" do regularly. Concrete block feet that avoid punches (Ortiz) is better than hopping around and eating bombs (Wilder).

    Would you favor Wlad and Wilder over Ortiz?
     
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    Marc A Being broke is being dishonest

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    Lol love this prediction
    Apparently Wilder beat a fat AA card carrying old man who was a never was
     
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    Marc A Being broke is being dishonest

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