Wilder Plans To Weigh 245 Pounds In Fury Rematch

[FightGuyOpenMind]

Nobodies endurance ever improved by putting on 30lbs. What you are suggesting is implausible. And neither did anyone's speed improve by putting on 30lbs. Wilder will be bigger, slower and have less of a gas tank.

I said if he trained endurance along with a resistance routine he could make improvements. He would have to train both. It would be taxing, but it could work if he had the time and a proper protocol.

Speed doesn't increase with muscle? What moves the damn skeleton? Why do sprinters, and running backs squat? If you are able to apply maximal force, then submaximal force becomes easier. If you are able to more forcefully contract your muscles you could move your skeleton faster, and you'll move faster. There are other things that go into that like specificity, afferent and efferent neurons. Yes, weight is also a factor.

Nobody has done it? Boxing strength and conditioning hasn't exactly been on the cutting edge of science or exercise physiology, so if we just go by what we've seen, then the sport would never advance.

I think you're being hyper critical, we won't know until Wilder tests those waters.

 

[1mic]

According to an interview done with Fox News, Wilder said "...he will try to gain a significant amount of weight, with a goal of 245 pounds after he came in at 209 on Saturday. He’s open to fighting Fury anywhere, even in Britain, though his preferences would be Las Vegas or Barclays Center in New York."

In my opinion this a terrible mistake. He already looked gassed in the 12th round. He'll also be significantly slower. I feel like Wilder knows he has no chance of boxing with Fury so he banks on landing that one punch again, but this time having enough weight to KO Fury. With that being said a bigger, slower, Wilder won't be able to land against a smaller, fitter Fury, and Wilder will lose some of his KO power considering he'll be a lot slower.

What do you guys think?

SOURCE: https://www.foxsports.com.au/boxing...t/news-story/749c7929dc29b7a538cbb422b91fad9f

He was gassed in the middle rounds when he tried 6 haymakers, none landing and was gassed for the next 1.5 rounds.

 

[hillelslovak87]

I think Wilder needs to be 10 lbs heavier, but also needs more cardio. It's a puzzle he is going to need to work out. If he can get 10 lbs up and increase his conditioning he would be in a much more dominant position. Would take longer than a normal camp, though, and I can see them wanting to strike the Fury fire when it's hot.

 

[surgeyou1]

Tend to agree with that. No fucking chance someone could juice and still have legs like that. (Those are legitimately why he is so light in weight.)

Have you seen Jon Jones?

 

[Prefect]

Waste of time. His size and weight had nothing to do with his challenges during the fight. What he need work on and improve for his next fight to stop loading and cocking back his right hand punches, setting up his power with more feints and jabs , feinting and jabbing in between combinations, using his left hook more to set up the right hand, punching at a downward angle to catch Fury while he bends, and going to the body more especially when the head is not a viable target anymore. He has more then enough to work on all of which has nothing to do with his size and weight if a rematch happens.

You got the punching down part right. I knew he was going to punch Fury in the back of the head because he gets wild and has done that in other fights and the refs never call him on it.

 

[PUO3]

Have you seen Jon Jones?

He looked bigger after The Sauce.

 

[TankAbbott4Eva]

I think a few extra inches of reach would help him not the weight.

 

[Ling Ling]

Can anyone post the actual interview in which Wilder says he'll go to 245lbs? OP's article doesn't source it or even provide a direct quote.

The quote is in the OP's article. "But the mistakes could provide a learning experience for a rematch Wilder insists will happen. He said he will try to gain a significant amount of weight, with a goal of 245 pounds after he came in at 209 on Saturday. He’s open to fighting Fury anywhere, even in Britain, though his preferences would be Las Vegas or Barclays Center in New York."

 

[Minowafanatic]

The quote is in the OP's article. "But the mistakes could provide a learning experience for a rematch Wilder insists will happen. He said he will try to gain a significant amount of weight, with a goal of 245 pounds after he came in at 209 on Saturday. He’s open to fighting Fury anywhere, even in Britain, though his preferences would be Las Vegas or Barclays Center in New York."

No, that's not a direct quote from Wilder, that's just reporting of what he supposedly said. "“I wanted to end the show with a devastating knockout and I got too excited.”" is what a direct quote looks like.

 

[Ling Ling]

No, that's not a direct quote from Wilder, that's just reporting of what he supposedly said. "“I wanted to end the show with a devastating knockout and I got too excited.”" is what a direct quote looks like.

Perhaps this will satisfy you.
Wilder will try to do some things differently. “We’re going to try to pick up the weight. I never worried about weight before. I have devastating power these guys don’t have.” He said he hoped to come in significantly heavier, perhaps even 245. “It’s going to take some time, but we’re going to put it on.”
The result, he hopes, will be an even more devastating punch. “If weight brings power, someone’s going to get hurt. I know I have the power to hurt anyone, anyone. I’m going to hit you. I’m going to do that. I don’t know when I’m going to hit you, but when I do, good night.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/12/06/sports/deontay-wilder-tyson-fury.html

 

[aries]

I said if he trained endurance along with a resistance routine he could make improvements. He would have to train both. It would be taxing, but it could work if he had the time and a proper protocol.

Speed doesn't increase with muscle? What moves the damn skeleton? Why do sprinters, and running backs squat? If you are able to apply maximal force, then submaximal force becomes easier. If you are able to more forcefully contract your muscles you could move your skeleton faster, and you'll move faster. There are other things that go into that like specificity, afferent and efferent neurons. Yes, weight is also a factor.

Nobody has done it? Boxing strength and conditioning hasn't exactly been on the cutting edge of science or exercise physiology, so if we just go by what we've seen, then the sport would never advance.

I think you're being hyper critical, we won't know until Wilder tests those waters.

I think you're making invalid comparisons. Sprinters do 100m for about 10 seconds, totally different to a boxer doing 12x3 minute rounds. Have a look at 400m sprinters they are generally a lot less muscled than 100m specialists. Why? Because that muscle tires you out when you have more of an endurance demand. Now think about a boxer doing one 3 minute round and who does that compare to in athletics? That's more like your 1500m guys. How do they get faster? Not by packing on muscle. They try to get stronger sure but most times they are concerned with getting lighter to make them go faster. Now repeat that 3 minute effort 12 times and you add in even more of an endurance element. Clearly adding 30lbs of muscle isn't going to help you get faster over 12 rounds. It would be really hard to add 30lbs of muscle and keep your speed and endurance that you need for 12 x 3 minute rounds.

 

[djacobox372]

The only thing adding weight would gain him would be a better ability to absorb punches, which may be a factor against Joshua but is a non-factor against Fury.

Wilder has horrible boxing, the only reason he can land anything is that he's quick--why mess with that?

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

The only thing adding weight would gain him would be a better ability to absorb punches, which may be a factor against Joshua but is a non-factor against Fury.

Wilder has horrible boxing, the only reason he can land anything is that he's quick--why mess with that?

I agree, more weight would help with Joshua but Fury doesn't really use his size to muscle anyone around or fight on the inside and if Wilder put on 30lbs he might be too slow to catch Fury. I don't think 10lbs extra would hurt his speed but 25lbs+ certainly would.

 

[Badr Hari]

Fury doesn't really use his size to muscle anyone around or fight on the inside

That's true only when Fury fights Wlad or Wilder tbh. He smothers smaller and less stronger boxers all the time and enjoys doing it as well LOL

 

[NoBiasJustMMA]

That's true only when Fury fights Wlad or Wilder tbh. He smothers smaller and less stronger boxers all the time and enjoys doing it as well LOL

Well yeah, he will use his size and power against small HWs that don't have much punching power. Fury has had the most trouble with smaller HW's that fight with a smaller guy style that kind of force Fury to fight more like a power puncher.

 

[Manassamaulerx]

His people won't let him do anything that ill advised. Horrible idea.