Why the hype? Lee lost a round, almost got KOd and also lost to Al Iaquinta...

Final Say said:
More well rounded

Not that similar other than they both wrestle
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How’s he more well rounded?


Where does this MYTH that Kevin Lee is a good striker stem from?


WHO has he consistently outstruck? He’s FORCED to engage in striking (and usually gets in trouble)because his wrestling is NOT as dominant as Khabibs.



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If you can’t figure out why Lee is considered a good fighter maybe MMA isn’t for you. I think you just don’t like the guy, which is ok. But a bad fighter he is not.
 
BRASIL WAND said:
How’s he more well rounded?


Where does this MYTH that Kevin Lee is a good striker stem from?


WHO has he consistently outstruck? He’s FORCED to engage in striking (and usually gets in trouble)because his wrestling is NOT as dominant as Khabibs.



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Better submissions, better jiu jitsu and better striking
 
Nothing to see here; just a bunch of khabib-haters/conner nut-huggers looking for the next great hope to take the eagle out so that mgoatse doesn't have to fight him.
 
LaneTM said:
THIS. Lee was more impressive vs Barboza imo. He actually finished
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Lee didn't finish Barboza in 3 rounds. That's what he would have had to do in order to do better than Khabib.
 
Lee still won the round imo. Aside from the kick, Barboza did nothing else.
 
If Kevin is forced to lose another 2lbs to make championship weight, he is a very different fighter.
 
Pretty dominating performance, even more so that Khabib's against Edson, PLUS he actually finished the job.

Doesn't mean i think he would Khabib but stop counting the man short just because you dangle from the Russian's nuts
 
Gabkicks said:
Why is everybody hyping Lee?

Khabib didn't lose ANY round to Barboza, and Khabib ate a spin high kick from Barboza and was not rocked. Khabib also took almost no damage from Barboza (Barboza landed only like 6 punches in the entire fight against Khabib)

Lee lost the round that he almost got knocked out in and he couldn't eat a spin high kick without getting wobbled.

He also lost to Al Iaquinta. This hype confuses me.
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I think that's a pretty simplistic, dumbed down view in terms of the spin kicks. They both got hit hard with one spin kick. Khabib ate it better but that still makes it very simar performances. And Lee still won the round.

Comparing the two, a spin kick doesn't matter since most other guys aren't going to hit either of them with a spin kick and Khabib would certainly never hit Lee with one. LOL you kind of have to have no kind analytical abilities regarding MMA to try to compare the two based on that or focus on that.

If he were to fight Kevin, Lee still clearly has the stand-up advantage regardless of who was rocked and who wasn't by a Barboza spin kick. But yes Khabib has better grappling and chin, making him the better fighter

I feel like people were overly excited by the first few rounds of Khabib dominating Edon more so than Lee when both were similar and Lee arguably beating him up more.

If we go back and look at the pbp Khabib's domination was seen as some amazing next level beatdown and like he was about to kill Edson and Lee's very similar domination was nowhere near as praised while just as brutal.
 
This idea that he was bad because he almost got finished is hilarious to me.

The guy beat the living hell out of a great fighter, he absolutely ran through him.

Sure, he was caught by a crazy technique which Barboza is known for. Guess what though guys, he survived and took no damage after that. He was back in top position about 30 seconds later, so you guys can hate as much as you want.

Kevin Lee is a very good fighter.
 
Man Barboza looked like he had Khabin PTSD after that first round though. He was already completely gassed. I think this was a good win for Kevin. Honestly its no worse than beating Gaethje, which for some reason has turned into the spring board to a title shot for reasons idk. The guys best win is Michael Johnson in a fight he was getting hurt every other minute.
 
People have just absurd logic and ability to rate a fighter. Barboza and Johnson are not title contenders. Johnson is 1-5 in his last 6 fights and just lost to Elkins at BW. Barboza has always failed the test vs the top guys. As predicted, Lee completely owned him. Yes Barboza landed a single fight changing kick. These things happen. It was a single shot. Lee even had his hands up and it slipped through.

You know what else happened? Lee (like almost all fighters) got a bit tired after fighting for 10 minutes and takedowns became harder and harder. Does that look similar to Khabib vs Al? lol of course not, according to the mob of delusional Khabib fans, he just wanted to test out his striking. Khabibs first 5 rounder was against a part time fighter outside the top 10 who has been inactive and was training for a 3 rounder. Al is not a wrestler and was defending takedowns. Lee's striking needs work but it is clearly superior to Khabibs. Khabibs wrestling is probably better than Lee's but is it enough to get takedowns and control him on the ground? Maybe for a round. Probably not 2. Highly unlikely 3.

There's also a group of Khabib fans that probably haven't spent enough time off the couch and don't understand how sports work. 4 years is a long time. They are talking about a win over RDA 4 years ago... When RDA was 1 fight removed from being gifted a decision from Dunham. How is that relevant to today? RDA wasn't at the top of his game when they fought. RDA isn't a top guy today, in fact he's on a 2 fight losing streak at LW. Lee is 25 and people are talking about his fights from years ago. WTF? are you serious? Where was Max 4 years ago? 4 years ago Conor hadn't even fought Diego Brando or Dennis Seiver yet. Conor hasn't even fought in the UFC since 2016. Weidman had defended his belt 3 times and has since lost to 3 different MW's, none of which are the champ. Are people really this clueless about how time works in pro sports?

Khabib has never stepped up to the top level of the division. Ever. RDA wasn't there when he fought him or there today. Johnson is 1-5 in his last 6. Barboza has been outclassed by high level guys repeatedly. Does Khabib belong in the cage with the top guys? Absolutely Khabib has been dominant. He's also shown holes in his game. He is going to have a fight on his hands if he steps in there vs Lee, Tony, or Conor. Even Alvarez is going to be a step up in competition. Failing to secure takedowns vs a guy 3 or 4 levels below these guys in the championship rounds should be a concern. It doesn't mean Khabib can't beat these guys but he will definitely be tested in ways he has never been before vs these guys who are all far better than anyone he's faced before
 
Gabkicks said:
Why is everybody hyping Lee?

Khabib didn't lose ANY round to Barboza, and Khabib ate a spin high kick from Barboza and was not rocked. Khabib also took almost no damage from Barboza (Barboza landed only like 6 punches in the entire fight against Khabib)

Lee lost the round that he almost got knocked out in and he couldn't eat a spin high kick without getting wobbled.

He also lost to Al Iaquinta. This hype confuses me.
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Mauled Edson far worse than Khabib did. Khabib GnP is shit compared to Lee.
Not every strike is the same or lands in the same spot. Just because Khabib took it doesn't mean it had the same exact impact or was in the same spot. It wasn't and anyone with a brain should be able to conclude this.
 
BRASIL WAND said:
Kevin Lee is a phenomenal fighter, BUT he’s still a poor mans Khabib.


That’s not a knock on Kevin, just goes to show you how good Khabib is.


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Lee’s striking looks ages ahead of the atrocities Khabib throws.
Also, Lee takes chances and fights, so he’s bound to get hit once in a while.

Watching Khabib’s fights are like watching Fitch fight.
 
Leoooo said:
Lee’s striking looks ages ahead of the atrocities Khabib throws.
Also, Lee takes chances and fights, so he’s bound to get hit once in a while.

Watching Khabib’s fights are like watching Fitch fight.
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I agree with him being super entertaining, but Lee gets ROCKED I’m just about every fight(Iaquinta, Fergie, BJJ Santos, Barboza, Trinaldo, etc) the dude has suspect defence and VERY basic output.

Khabib on the other hand seems to have a knack for out striking opponents without taking damage. It’s not the prettiest but like Frank Shamrock said: “ANY punch that lands, is a well thrown punch.”


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