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dhalsim408
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Sorry - I know this topic has be talked about ad nausea but couldn't resist
Ryan Hall finally hit all of the key points on the head that have people knocking BJJ/Wrestling/Boxing for self defense.
Point 1: BJJ is no good because his friends will stomp your head
Reality: BJJ players tend to be fanatical. They train 4-5 days a week. Training partners become like brothers. And those brothers tend to always be around. On and off the mat.
"Hall speaks to the fact that he felt confident using the mount to control the aggressor, despite the aggressor having a friend with him because he knew if the friend got involved, Hall had an entire table of black belts that would have his back"
Point 2: Training for competition is different from training for and dealing with self defense.
Reality: Self defense is different from reality. Yes. But training for tournament hardens the body. You're getting slammed, choked, and yanked on by someone who usually trains pretty hard himself. Walk into a BJJ tournament. Into a Boxing school. Into a wrestling practice. Into a Krav school. These least conditioned, least violent, least dangerous people are usually the Krav school. Maybe why more women prefer that system over others? Krav may be taught to the IDF in Israel. But it's being taught to and practiced by soccer moms here in America.
"It is like Manny Pacquiao, I don't care if there are gloves or not, if he hits you, your head is coming off and there is no amount of me practicing an eye gouge that is going to stop him from doing that because he is so used to just dealing with someone who is incredibly good at touching him in the head really, really fast and really, really hard. It doesn't matter what shape my hand is in, he is incredibly good at stopping that and he is incredibly good at countering...
So I would completely disagree. I'd say most of the people that say that practice for self-defense and don't train with tough athletes are really doing themselves a disservice. If I can wrestle with, say, Division I collegiate All-Americans and do fine. If I can wrestle with Marcelo Garcia and do ok, what the hell is some regular guy going to do? The only chance they have is to sucker punch me because anything that engages in an actual engagement of physical combat, I would absolutely hammer this person."
Point 3: What if he has a knife, gun, or death ray and he kills you when you get to the ground.
Reality How can he get to that weapon if you have him properly positionally dominated?
"He also talks about how the mount is great because he was able to secure wrist control on both of the aggressor's arms to prevent him for attempting a groin grab or going into his pockets to reach for a possible weapon."
Moral of the story: Any martial artist, be it a judoka, boxer, wrestler, or karate guy who is used to doing something really really well against someone else who is trained to do something really well is probably going to be OK in a street confrontation. Unless that confrontation is against someone who can do that something even better than they.
Ryan Hall finally hit all of the key points on the head that have people knocking BJJ/Wrestling/Boxing for self defense.
Point 1: BJJ is no good because his friends will stomp your head
Reality: BJJ players tend to be fanatical. They train 4-5 days a week. Training partners become like brothers. And those brothers tend to always be around. On and off the mat.
"Hall speaks to the fact that he felt confident using the mount to control the aggressor, despite the aggressor having a friend with him because he knew if the friend got involved, Hall had an entire table of black belts that would have his back"
Point 2: Training for competition is different from training for and dealing with self defense.
Reality: Self defense is different from reality. Yes. But training for tournament hardens the body. You're getting slammed, choked, and yanked on by someone who usually trains pretty hard himself. Walk into a BJJ tournament. Into a Boxing school. Into a wrestling practice. Into a Krav school. These least conditioned, least violent, least dangerous people are usually the Krav school. Maybe why more women prefer that system over others? Krav may be taught to the IDF in Israel. But it's being taught to and practiced by soccer moms here in America.
"It is like Manny Pacquiao, I don't care if there are gloves or not, if he hits you, your head is coming off and there is no amount of me practicing an eye gouge that is going to stop him from doing that because he is so used to just dealing with someone who is incredibly good at touching him in the head really, really fast and really, really hard. It doesn't matter what shape my hand is in, he is incredibly good at stopping that and he is incredibly good at countering...
So I would completely disagree. I'd say most of the people that say that practice for self-defense and don't train with tough athletes are really doing themselves a disservice. If I can wrestle with, say, Division I collegiate All-Americans and do fine. If I can wrestle with Marcelo Garcia and do ok, what the hell is some regular guy going to do? The only chance they have is to sucker punch me because anything that engages in an actual engagement of physical combat, I would absolutely hammer this person."
Point 3: What if he has a knife, gun, or death ray and he kills you when you get to the ground.
Reality How can he get to that weapon if you have him properly positionally dominated?
"He also talks about how the mount is great because he was able to secure wrist control on both of the aggressor's arms to prevent him for attempting a groin grab or going into his pockets to reach for a possible weapon."
Moral of the story: Any martial artist, be it a judoka, boxer, wrestler, or karate guy who is used to doing something really really well against someone else who is trained to do something really well is probably going to be OK in a street confrontation. Unless that confrontation is against someone who can do that something even better than they.
