Why is the reason 12-6 elbows are not allowed?

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  1. Tuf_guy

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    McCarthy said it was a compromise when rules were being decided. Almost like a concession to whoever wanted a lot of rules/banned strikes.
     
  2. cyrusthevyrus

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    those negotiations...
     
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    Rogan has literally been talking about it for 10 years. Cruz finally told him to STFU
     
  4. kingghidrah

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    Uh, there is this thing called 'gravity'. At 12-6 you can put your weight into it in a way you can't at 3-9. Your explanation just proves you don't know Newton.
     
  5. neil_totally

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    I call bullshit pedantry on your part.

    Gravity has an incredibly little part to play when throwing an elbow. If you can throw a hard elbow 12-6 when standing, you can throw a hard elbow using the exact same range of motion when your body is at an angle.
     
  6. Taric

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    The rule is stupid and everyone knows it's stupid.
     
  7. MirRocksFedor

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    Rogan gave the true story. They just had to make some shit up for the rule books.

    A Karate guy could snap a skull in half like nothing.
     
  8. Taric

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    There is more torque generated in a spinning elbow than anything you can generate going straight up and down. Just like how a spinning roundhouse kick will generate more torque, and power, than an axe kick ever will. It's basic physics.
     
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    It's kinda a dumb rule

    But a small part of me wants it to stay illegal just to spite joe rogan for telling that stupid story a million times
     
  10. HereticBD

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    I've never heard a compelling argument to justify them being banned.

    I'm just going to chalk it up to some arbitrary compromise they made to please the commission.
     
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    Not really. They didnt like fights being stopped due to cuts and werent big fans of lots of blood. You could elbow the body though.
     
  12. Taric

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    Absolutely true. When Bellator did same day tournaments they banned elbows for the simple reason of trying to limit the amount of cuts to fighters faces.
    PRIDE was in the same boat.
     
  13. tjumper78

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    so we just have to accept/believe that a 12-6 elbow in ground & pound is more dangerous than a full spinning elbow in the face. =)
     
  14. cevo

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    Except to eye socket? Lol good luck enforcing that.
     
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    Well hey enforce 12-6 now and no spine shots or neck shots.
     
  16. cevo

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    Spine and neck are on the opposite side of where you're supposed to strike.
     
  17. kwd1253

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    people miss way more with spinnin elbows than are landed. It’s harder hit direct blow with a elbow while spinning. You have no clue if that person going move before you turn around 360 degrees to land that blow. No one has landed spinning elbow on me but have been hit by a 12-6. Also landed my own 12-6 elbow blows to someone, I seen and felt damage what 12-6 does.

    The downward force of body weight plus using your muscles to generator power, short close torque. What punch delivers more power long over hand or upper cut?

    when you have someone back or mounting you can’t do a spinning elbow. You can land 12-6 in the clinch, having someone back, or mounting someone. It way more dangerous tool to have vs spinning elbow.
     
  18. A.S. Deep

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    Imagine Mario Yamasaki reffing that fight.
     
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    If I wanted to break bones, 12 -6 elbows is what i would do.

    I hate elbows in fighting in general because they are pointing and cause cuts easily.
     

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