Why is Muay Thai so popular in MMA?

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  1. Zayn Banned

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    I've always wondered why Muay Thai was so much more popular among MMA fighters than other styles like Karate, Kung Fu, and especially TKD.

    TKD is the most popular martial art practice in America, yet nobody uses it in MMA really. Somebody care to explain? I'm just getting started in MMA.
     
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    The style best fits the skill set needed for the sport of MMA. Leg kicks, clinch work, knees, elbows etc. are all applicable to MMA.
     
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    Muay Thai is more practical for mma for a lot of reasons.

    clinch being one, knees, elbows and more straight forward kicks that use the shin.

    just a couple reasons.

    there are other good forms of standup like kyukushin.

    i am sure a search will give you a lot of answers
     
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    TKD isn't the best style to used in MMA. The only Kung Fu style that works is Sanshou which is basically kickboxing/Muay Thai with wrestling and Judo takedowns. Kyokushin is the only effective Karate style. Those aren't that popular and harder to find than Muay Thai. Muay Thai is the most popular standup in MMA, because it is effective, easy to find, and others have already used it. Also it is a devastating ring sport and can be used in kickboxing too.
     
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    I already tried the search, but didn't find any useful info. Kyukushin is the style GSP uses, right?

    I was watching a lot of Cung Le's Sanshou videos, and I was also curious about what Sanshou is, exactly and if it's even a definitive fighting style. Cung Le has some amazing takedowns (although many of them aren't very useful in MMA), as well as great kicking form and boxing. Is he a practitioner of Muay Thai or of Sanshou?
     
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    I was a Choy Lay Fut practitioner for most of my childhood and teenage years before I started boxing. We had a Sanshou instructor come in weekly and his background was in Wushu. The thing I enjoyed about the Sansho workouts was the actual sparring we got to do.
     
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    Another plus for Muay Thai is that it would prob be a lot easier to find a place to train then Sanshou or a lot of the other "good" karate styles.
     
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    Did you watch the first UFC's at all?
     
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    Everybody rags on the other styles, but truth be told they can probably work and be effective in MMA, especially w/some western boxing crosstraining. It is highly dependent on the teacher and teaching methods. Learning forms all day, breaking a few boards, and going over static self defense drills isn't going to prepare you for MMA. Muay Thai schools are heavy on the conditioning, sparring, stand-up techniques, most TKD schools it is a form-fest with very little sparring or even point sparring, not full-contact damage done sparring whilst tweaking your flaw/stand up technique, heavy bag work or any of that stuff.

    Lots of Mcdojos associated w/TKD in the US.

    Muay Thai isn't perfect though and it is my favorite traditional art, they have great traditional training but some of the training methods I find outdated.
     
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    Muay Thai is very practical and the angles of attack go well with the basis of MMA. Although the same can be applied to almost every martial arts in some form or fashion Muay Thai, BJJ/wrestling, and Boxing are the sports lead fighting style. Most Muay Thai fighters that you see in MMA's aren't true Thai fighters, they are fighting somewhat of a diluted version of Muay Thai. This is do because of the complexity of fights and fighters, but im tired of a person throwing a shin kick and saying they train in Muay Thai. Most practice Kickboxing, but say its Thai because I guess it sounds better. If you go to a Muay Thai gym and see the bodies and scars of the fighters, how they train and compare them to someone that doesn't really train like that you would see the difference. Kickboxing just started changing their kicks to be more Thai like because of the growth of MMA and the fact how Muay Thai has grown in Popularity. If you watch K-1 and watch fighters like Remy and others that fight a true Thai style you'll see the effectiveness, angles, and delivery of the attacks compared to kickboxing, Karate, TKD, and others. No way am I knocking any other style or fighter. The style doesn't when fights the fighter does. I was just pointing out a couple of things.
     
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    It's stupid to think that Kyokushin is the only "effective" form of Karate. Especially considering, just about the only thing seperating it from most other forms (Not talking about the many different styles that came from it) is the focus on hard sparring and conditioning. Look at Ryoto Machida. His standup is Shotokan Karate. If you look at his training routine, it's what he works on the most actually. And you can see it when he fights. Hell just look at the stances he uses.
     
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    because it works.
     
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    When you train a physical skill (like throwing a punch), a process occurs where you 'hardwire' the movement patterns into your body and brain. Over time the movement becomes deeper ingrained and thereby more fluid and efficient as your body adjusts to it.

    Muay Thai adapts well to MMA because is it taught and practised as a full contact fighting sport from day one. That means that from the first day of training, even just hitting the bags and pads, you start developing the skills relevant to full contact fighting, such as an awareness of range and distance. The regular hitting of bags, mitts or sparring partners helps your body learn the optimum biomechanical position for generation of force.

    TKD is perhaps a good example of an underachieving martial art in this sense. TKD is an Olympic sport, but the Olympic version is not full contact. I would imagine that if the Olympic level TKD athletes had spent the same amount of time focussing on full contact fight training, instead of point sparring, they would probably be quite potent. However, if you spend a long time practicing *not* to hit someone full contact, it is a matter of fact that it will then be physically more difficult to adjust your awareness of range to *hit* someone full contact.

    There are probably lots of martial arts that could be employed in MMA, if they were trained as fighting arts.
     
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    For one thing :

    -Because Muy Thai, as opposed to Karate and TKD, incorporates western boxing, which cannot be beaten as a hand striking system and training.
     
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    because all those other arts blow
     
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    Because it got a several hundred year long tradition of training and fighting full contact, and event though a hardcore old thaifighter could call it "diluted" nobody else really would since it still propably are one of the "thoughest" forms of competition.

    Because in the "8" weapons it teaches (2 of hands, knees, elbows and legs) it is in its own league in atleast half of them and among the best in all of them.

    Because it ties in beatifully with wrestling and boxing if done corectly.

    ....And since it got a great trackrecord in mma that neither sashou (theretically an just as fitting martial art) or any other standup art except boxing has in mma effectiveness at this point.


    ....That is in my opinion 4 pretty good reasons for muay thai in mma....
     
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    Thats what I was going to say
     
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    Many TMA styles fight with their hands down. MT is baiscally a good boxing stand up with the use of kicks, knees and elbows. It can translate to MMA real well.

    This does not mean that other styles could not work just that MT is easier to pick up and apply. Also MT is very brutal and that also fits well with MMA.
     
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    Did you watch any recent ones?

    And while we're on topic, how many Muay Thai guys won the first UFCs?
     
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