Why is it so tough to have public health care?

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  1. covenant

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    Do you think the government can afford both boomer pensions and free healthcare. I dont think australia can, so i guess our taxes will be increased in years to come.
     
  2. FIMN

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    Assuming that i) people generally use the most healthcare resources in the first and last 10% of their life and ii) life expectancy increases with the advancement of medical technology etc, more resources will need to be dedicated to healthcare in future. Assuming everything else remains the same.

    In answer to your actual question, it's not really a question of whether we can afford it. We will pay it. It's just a question of how.
     
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    Throttlehead Red Belt

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    Because it apparently costs 1/2 as much and everyone gets care. Sound like a deal?
     
  4. KONG-D'SNT-TAP

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    Yeah it's mental that we are bending over for insurance companies but that's America these days. The corporations hold the power in most cases

    And lol the DMV is a place straight from hell.
     
  5. 7437

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    The reason is that a large portion of the population thinks a lot of people should not recieve healthcare.
     
  6. machidafan99

    machidafan99 Silver Belt

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    Because health insurance companies make large donations to political parties & campaigns and have effective lobbyists.
     
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  7. nostradumbass

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    It's disingenuous to say "costs you americans". It doesn't cost me at all. I went to the Dr. once about 15 years ago to get 3 stitches, and then again about 3 years ago to get bloodwork just cause I felt like I hadn't been in a while. That's much less than I would have paid in buying into insurance or the extra taxes for UHC.

    My sister goes every single time she feels a little nauseous or her kid hits his head on something. Of course they just go for no reason, cause it's already paid for. People eat fucking expired food cause they don't want to waste what's already paid for. The hell land do you live in where people don't use up the max of what they possibly can with no added expense?
     
  8. FIMN

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    As previously mentioned americans pay more tax for healthcare than anyone under UHC, so in fact you are paying for it.

    Do you have any evidence that isn't anecdotal suggesting that people under UHC take unnecessary doctor visits just because it costs nothing? I mean I've lived in the UK for many years, and nobody I know goes if they don't have to. Because.... why would you? It's the same reason you don't call the police if you're scared of shadows, or the fire service if you burn the toast. It's illogical. Hypochondriacs aside, the cost of abusing that service pales in comparison to people who need it that cannot get it. I have been to the Drs twice in 7 years. I could've gone every week but chose not to. Why is that?
     
  9. ChainFlow

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    But guys, there's this little old lady who calls the police every time something noisy happens outside her house at night. Doesn't that mean we should abolish the police in my city so that she can't keep using that service without paying for it?

    Keeping people like her from using that service without dire need is so important to me that it more than makes up for whatever potential bad consequences not having a public police force will cause.

    I bet if we started paying the local gangsters protection money, they'd take care of us anyway. Who cares if the overall costs are twice as high as our police-funding taxes were, and sometimes the gangsters decide that I've hit a lifetime cap on my protection money benefits and they're not going to be so nice? Or that I didn't pay the right amount to deal with someone kidnapping my wife and kids, I only paid into the mugging-protection plan? This way I'm free to not pay the gangsters if I want, and more importantly no one else is getting something for what I feel like is free.
     
  10. oldshadow

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    And communism as a concept is a great sounding idea.

    The trouble is it has lots of problems in the real world.

    UNC works only if everyone pays in so those that need it can take out. If the number of people paying in reduces something must give. Now they are not going to kick people that don't pay out of the UNC plan, like insurance would do. So something has to give and that's all people get less care slower.

    Again you have to be able to convince the majority that have health insurance they would be better off with UNC.

    So people don't see that. Not that what we have doesn't have lots of problems but we don't want to get something worse.

    Cost is not the only factor here, a big one but not the biggest one. Quality and availability are the biggest ones.
     
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    Sure couldn't hurt
     
  12. nostradumbass

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    Well no, in fact I'm not paying for it. I've spent waaaaay less on my 2 Dr. visits than I would have in extra taxes or insurance. You're getting into this weird thing where you blow it up to the whole country and then shrink it down to the individual in the same argument to make your point work.

    And fucking yes, of course people will use more of what they think is already paid for. Of course your comparisons are true, because burnt toast is not a fire department problem, nor are shadows a police problem.

    What does "need it and cannot get it" even mean? Someone who happened to have a heart attack at the exact right time they were between jobs? Nobody in my family is rich, and I was the first person to not have medical insurance for a few years. I guess you live in the UK, so maybe not that familiar with the system we had, but it was not that everybody was just shelling out thousands every month. "Benefits" at jobs included medical, dental, 401k, which is something most people have by the time they actually have any need for it.

    My sisters have gone to the Dr. for stupid reasons just because they can, @JonnyRingo84 just said the same about his aunt. It's "illogical" to overuse something you already know is paid for and costs you nothing? Fuck sense does that make?
     
  13. Gunny

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    Fuck off with that shit. Obama had both chambers and a super majority. The reasons we don't have universal healthcare are not partisan they're structural. Some of the most partisan democrats shills on this forum will make the arguments for why there shouldn't be UHC
     
  14. AnGrYcRoW

    AnGrYcRoW I've done .... questionable things .

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    Links that backed up my points , something you haven't even tried to do
     
  15. Wally Brando

    Wally Brando Banned Banned

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    Well the freedom caucus wouldn't be happy until 36 million people didn't have healthcare so.....
     
  16. Gunny

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    My post wasn't a defense of republicans. I was refuting the explicitly partisan reason you gave for why we don't have UHC
     
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    how much does it cost to have a baby in the us?

    i've had two born in the hospital and it didn't cost anything
     
  18. Cuauhtemoc

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    Because she had no money. She wouldn't be doing better in the USA.
    You see, you can still pay hundreds of thousands of dollars in "socialist" countries for private healthcare.
     
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    Errr one party is in power right now so....
     
  20. Gunny

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    Don't give me that bullshit. Only once in my life has a party held both chambers, a supermajority and the presidency. That was the Dems under Obama and they didn't pass UHC.
     
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