Why is it so tough to have public health care?

[MrFeeny]

because i have great ppo healthcare

 

[Wally Brando]

Are brain transplants free in Canada?
Maybe a lobotomy would make you feel better.

I might just get one because it wouldnt cost me shit.

 

[FIMN]

You would think, but that works a lot better in theory than in practice.

Any evidence or first hand experience to support that?

When you go to the docs they ask you general health questions, weight, do you smoke Etc and provide free resources and access to groups that help.

The idea that if you give free Drs visits that people will just go for no reason seems bizarre, outside of the usual hypocondriac types which make up a miniscule % of any given population.

I've posted this before but in the UK I had access to UHC for less tax money than it costs you Americans, and private cover through work that cost me the equivalent of $20 per month tax free.

 

[FIMN]

Because the majority of people have health insurance and you have to convince them they will get just as good or better care with universal health care.

So far I have seen nothing to convince me.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-world-according-to-oecd-report-a6721401.html


https://www.theguardian.com/society...tarian-crisis-rising-demand-british-red-cross

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-32057948

All those articles suggest that underfunding is the cause, not UHC as a concept.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

3 words


Health insurance companies.

 

[Throttlehead]

My wife says that the standard of care in the U.S. is much higher. In Canada everyone has insurance but substandard care unless you are wealthy. Too many hospitals understaffed.

That is a complete lie.

 

[Throttlehead]

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

I understand that you cant debate worth shit. Go contemplate a response for 30 minutes.

Sigh ...

The issue with Charlie Gard had nothing to do with universal health care and even if it did it wouldn't change the fact that the Us health care system is extremely flawed

This page provides a pretty comprehensive breakdown of various health care systems

"Though the system fosters excellence and innovation in places, the messy combination of underinsurance and overinsurance has left the US with the highest healthcare costs in the developed world and some of the worst overall health outcomes."

https://www.theguardian.com/society...worlds-best-healthcare-system-this-is-the-nhs

If you just want to cherry pick tragic medical cases to try and score a cheap point I can do that all day

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/11/opinion/11krugman.html

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-being-sick-inside-the-u-s-health-care-system

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/460vj4/americans_what_is_your_american_health_care_cost/

 

[RockstarChris]

Sigh ...

The issue with Charlie Gard had nothing to do with universal health care and even if it did it wouldn't change the fact that the Us health care system is extremely flawed

This page provides a pretty comprehensive breakdown of various health care systems

"Though the system fosters excellence and innovation in places, the messy combination of underinsurance and overinsurance has left the US with the highest healthcare costs in the developed world and some of the worst overall health outcomes."

https://www.theguardian.com/society...worlds-best-healthcare-system-this-is-the-nhs

If you just want to cherry pick tragic medical cases to try and score a cheap point I can do that all day

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/11/opinion/11krugman.html

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-...-being-sick-inside-the-u-s-health-care-system

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/460vj4/americans_what_is_your_american_health_care_cost/

It has everything to do with government run health care. The UK government wouldn't treat the child and would not let anyone else treat the child even though the parents sought care elsewhere. They held the child hostage until he died.

 

[Gutter Chris]

3 words


Health insurance companies.

Its weird dude. It seems most people would rather get ripped off by insurance comapnies and rx companies than suffer the idea that their tax dollars might have went to some bum or whatever as if 1 everyone doesnt feel that way to some extent and 2 this isnt america where we can do anything better than anywhere else whenever we want. We could be crankin out doctors , changing the rules so that like nurses and lower peons could dish out simple shit like anti biotics , forcing rx companies to cut deals and making cuts to other welfare programs to fund it.


You know who I blame no joke for why people are so scared of national healthcare ? The Dmv and the county clerks office. People know this is the government at work and its stupid inefficient and just gives everyone a bad impression and a huge headache

Real talk if we ended welfare for single moms and retards who made bad decisions and got rid of food stamps , obama phones , single mother free lunch programs and all the other horse shit most people in society dont use how far could we go putting that into a national plan ? How much further would we go if we legalized pot and all tax proceeds went into the uhc fund? If we up taxes on people who make like 5 mil and up are we there ? if we cut the military by like 3 percent or something small will it fill the gap? If we restructure prison and law enforcement does it fill the gap? Its really time to be serious about what we need and what we dont and how its going to get funded. I think what pisses people off the most about taxes is that the bulk of this country goes to work and pays them but never sees any of the rewards because they are not flat ass broke or scrooge mcduck rich or a criminal soaking up funds just to play chess all fuckin day.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

It has everything to do with government run health care. The UK government wouldn't treat the child and would not let anyone else treat the child even though the parents sought care elsewhere. They held the child hostage until he died.

false ,his doctors decided his care ....period

The doctor offering to treat him didn't even know the specifics of the case (excerpt below) and was not offering a cure only a possible lengthening of his life which his doctors (the ones who actually know his case ) determined that it would only prolong his suffering .

"Giving evidence over the phone from a hotel room, the doctor admitted that he had not realised how ill Charlie was, adding that it was “very concerning, he seems to be very severely affected neurologically, that makes me a bit less enthusiastic about having him come to the United States.”

Care to address the rest of my post or do you cry uncle?

 

[Don Quixote]

Canadians seldom worry about healthcare, and it's not really an issue all around to them.

In the US it's a constant issue, that nearly everyone worrys about. This alone just proves their healthcare system is better.

 

[RockstarChris]

false ,his doctors decided his care ....period

The doctor offering to treat him didn't even know the specifics of the case (excerpt below) and was not offering a cure only a possible lengthening of his life which his doctors (the ones who actually know his case ) determined that it would only prolong his suffering .

"Giving evidence over the phone from a hotel room, the doctor admitted that he had not realised how ill Charlie was, adding that it was “very concerning, he seems to be very severely affected neurologically, that makes me a bit less enthusiastic about having him come to the United States.”

Care to address the rest of my post or do you cry uncle?

Regardless the parents wanted to take him elsewhere for treatment and he was held against their will under armed guard.

Also, I did not respond to the rest of your post because it was just a bunch of links.

 

[Scheme]

Canadians seldom worry about healthcare, and it's not really an issue all around to them.

In the US it's a constant issue, that nearly everyone worrys about. This alone just proves their healthcare system is better.

So you're telling me when the government steals money from citizens and gives it to others, those others don't need to worry as much about money?

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

Because insurance companies something something free market something something Ronald Reagan.

 

[Cake4Breakfast]

So you're telling me when the government steals money from citizens and gives it to others, those others don't need to worry as much about money?

"steals money"

Drama queen!

 

[original doom]

I think you americans have missed the boat when it comes to government run healthcare. If you were to implement the scheme you should have done it decades ago.

As it stands i do wonder how they are going to cope with all the boomers. Every time i go to doctors they are full of the elderly which isnt a problem, i just wait longer......can we cope ?

Isnt the british nhs bankrupt ?

 

[FIMN]

Isnt the british nhs bankrupt ?

It's underfunded by design and because of that numerous trusts have financial problems.

Starving the beast. Privatisation as a solution.

 

[FIMN]

So you're telling me when the government steals money from citizens and gives it to others, those others don't need to worry as much about money?

The US govt spends more taxpayers money on healthcare than under any UHC system in the world.

How many times does times does this need repeating?

 

[FIMN]

Why should someone have to pay for someone else's healthcare?

The same reason we pay for other peoples police protection or fire service.