Why is Fedor Emelianenko considered the GOAT?
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I did this list a while back but always kept it in my notes for future references, i got the rankings from FightMatrix, and from there i just looked up the rankings of every fighter Fedor had fought and listed them as is here.
Fightmatrx was founded in 2008, so it is not relevant for anything older than that. Fightmatrx rankings are not genuine, they are calculated by computer 10, 15 years later.
You have to invest more effort than that and find original media rankings from that time such as Stephen Qadros, MMA Media, Fightsport, MMA News, MMA Fighting, Fcfighter etc. using web archive wayback machine web.archive.org
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Says the one that doesn't have any friends to talk to about this in real life and obviously doesn't have much knowledge about the sport he started a thread with and your the one that attacked me first so you are the one that is pathetic
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You learn something new every day.
Fortunately some people like Rester and CoffeeAndBeer invested lot of time and effort in rankings research, so thanks to them:
Fedor's Record vs Ranked Opponents:
WIN - Brett Rogers - Nov / 7 / 2009 -- Strikeforce / M-1 Global - Fedor vs. Rogers
7 hw - 2009 - Nov 1 - Fight Matrix-Published
6 hw - 2009 - Oct 31 - Sherdog
8 hw - 2009 - Oct 27 - MMA Weekly
6 hw - 2009 - Oct 13 (16) - Independent World MMA Rankings
WIN - Andrei Arlovski - Jan / 24 / 2009 -- Affliction - Day of Reckoning
19' P4P - 2008 - Dec 31 - YAHOO
3 hw - 2009 - JAN (4?) - MMA Fighting
2 hw - 2009 - Jan 11 - Bloody Elbow-Meta
2 hw - 2009 - Jan 7 - Sherdog
2 hw - 2009 - Jan 6 - Sports Illustrated/Josh Gross
WIN - Tim Sylvia - Jul / 19 / 2008 -- Affliction - Banned
4 hw - 2008 - Jul 9 - Sherdog
5 hw - 2008 - Jul 8 - MMA Weekly
5 hw - 2008 - Jun 30 - MMA Fighting
5 hw - 2008 - Jun 24 - Bloody Elbow-Meta
WIN - Matt Lindland - Apr / 14 / 2007 -- Bodog Fight - Clash of the Nations
8 P4P - 2007 - Mar 30 - MMA on Tap
1 mw - 2007 - Apr 10 - MMA Weekly
3 mw - 2007 - Mar 7 - MMA News
2 mw - 2007 - JAN (17) - Bloody Knux
1 mw - 2006 - Nov 30 - MMA Fighting
WIN - Mark Hunt - Dec / 31 / 2006 -- Pride FC - Shockwave 2006
9 hw - 2006 - Dec 19 - MMA Weekly
7 hw - 2006 - Nov 30 - MMA Fighting
9 hw - 2006 - Nov 29 - MMA News
5 hw - 2006 - NOV - Associated Fight Press-Fightsport
WIN - Mirko Filipovic - Aug / 28 / 2005 -- Pride FC - Final Conflict 2005
2 hw - 2005 - Aug 12 - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
3 hw - 2005 - JUN - Full Contact Fighter
3 hw - 2005 - May (12) - Bloody Knux
3 hw - 2005 - May 4 - ADCC MMA Top Ten
WIN - Tsuyoshi Kosaka - Apr / 3 / 2005 -- Pride - Bushido 6
17' hw - 2005 - Mar 8 - MMA Fighting
WIN - Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - Dec / 31 / 2004 -- Pride - Shockwave 2004
2 hw - 2004 - Dec 26 - The MMA Collective-MMARanks
1 hw - 2004 - Dec 20 - ADCC MMA Top Ten
2 hw - 2004 - NOV - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
2 hw - 2004 - Nov 14 - MMA Fighting
WIN - Naoya Ogawa - Aug / 15 / 2004 -- Pride FC - Final Conflict 2004
15 hw - 2004 - Jul 5 - MMA Fighting
WIN - Kevin Randleman - Jun / 20 / 2004 -- Pride FC - Critical Countdown 2004
10 lhw - 2004 - May 20 - ADCC MMA Top Ten
8 lhw - 2004 - MAY - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
9 lhw - 2004 - Apr 12 - Stephen Quadros
WIN - Mark Coleman - Apr / 25 / 2004 -- Pride FC - Total Elimination 2004
8 hw - 2004 - APR^ - Max Fighting/Josh Gross
WIN - Kazuyuki Fujita - Jun / 8 / 2003 -- Pride 26 - Bad to the Bone
10 hw - 2003 - May 4 - MMA News
WIN - Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira - Mar / 16 / 2003 -- Pride 25 - Body Blow
1 hw - 2003 - Mar 4 - MMA News
1 hw - 2003 - MAR^ - Associated Fight Press-Fightsport
1 hw - 2003 - Feb 15 - MMA Media Top 10
1 hw - 2003 - Jan 31 - Fighters & Broadcasters Poll
WIN - Heath Herring - Nov / 24 / 2002 -- Pride 23 - Championship Chaos 2
4 hw - 2002 - Nov 1 - MMA Media Top 10
4 hw - 2002 - OCT - Associated Fight Press-Fightsport
3 hw - 2002 - Sep 4 - Stephen Quadros
7 hw - 2002 - FEB - MMA Weekly-Fan Vote
WIN - Semmy Schilt - Jun / 23 / 2002 -- Pride 21 - Demolition
10 hw - 2002 - Jun 11 - MMA Media Top 10
9 hw - 2002 - Jan 12 - Stephen Quadros
WIN - Renato Sobral - Aug / 11 / 2001 -- Rings - 10th Anniversary
9 hw - 2001 - JAN - MMA Writers Top Ten (^2-0 vs TK & Tamura)
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Because people can't let go of the past even if it is bullshit.
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No idea. I probably wouldn't put him top 20
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Nice - more like how I remember it
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Ogawa was pretty good, from your list. Nevermind the rest of his resume.
Fedor was very fast, very good on the geound and in the clinch, and had good power in that right hand. Also fearless and good cardio in his prime. All of that allowed him to dominate, above his natural weightclass. His fall was horrible, he hasnt progressed, has lost his speed and always seems out of shape, while also never taking it to the ground.
He was great, one of the very greatest, but I think he gets overrated and overhated as well on here.
Fedor was very fast, very good on the geound and in the clinch, and had good power in that right hand. Also fearless and good cardio in his prime. All of that allowed him to dominate, above his natural weightclass. His fall was horrible, he hasnt progressed, has lost his speed and always seems out of shape, while also never taking it to the ground.
He was great, one of the very greatest, but I think he gets overrated and overhated as well on here.
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his game was always built on natural talent so eventually he was going to fall off. he never had the conditioning of a gsp or anything like that. once his chin, stength, speed, lateral quickness etc. waned he became just a skilled undersized hw.
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The guys Ogawa beat had a combined record 26-43. Take out Gary Goodridge, and they're 3-21.
Kudos on trying to legitimize Fedor's win over him.
There's no Jap HW relevant anywhere in the world today. You don't find that odd?
Fedor gets crushed by each of the following: Brock, Cain, Carwin,JDS, Reem, Stipe, and Werdum.
You totally do not understand history and right context of time.
It was style v style in those times, and he as judo champion beat 2 top K-1 fighters Stake and Leko and that is how it was seen at those times.
He was 7-0 and judo world champion.
Even now if you string together 2-3 wins in UFC against lower tier of UFC fighers you are top 15. For example Blaydes or Tony Johnson now, with 2 wins v low tier UFC fighters.
Ogawa made it to semifinals of 2004 Grand Prix, and thats where his fight v Fedor took place, and thats also important part of historic context and Ogawa's status at that time.
Ogawa's top 15 ranking at that time is a written evidence that mma fans and public considered him as a good fighter then at that particular time, and that legitimizes Fedor's win over him as a quality one.
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Weren't his wins fake though? I remember watching them and being conviced that they were works but I forgot the details
Also why is Arona not on the list ? He's Better than half of the that list at least. It just shows you how dumb rankings are in any context whether it's historical or modern
Fedor's impressive wins are Arona, Nog, Cro Cop, Arlovski, Sylvia, Rogers, Fujita, HMC, Schilt, Herring, Randleman, Coleman, Hunt, Lindland and to some degree Ishii
All the others are mismatches (Ogawa, Zulu) or not impressive (TK, Rizzo, Goodridge etc)
Thats speculation without evidence. Ogawa was definitley skilfull enough to submitt anyone on the ground. Even now you have top 10, 15 fighters like Oleynik or Tybura who have only ground game.
Arona had only 2 fights by that time, so he still wasnt seen by mma public yet as top fighter in 2000, but he is also notable win. Those rankings are original written opinions of mma public and media and they are above any attempts of later relativization of mma history and above personal opinions.
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Not really. Muhammad Ali debuted in a sport with a well-established history, multiple decades of Olympic and pro competition, and a much, much deeper talent pool. He was also able to bounce back from defeats. The man was in the beginning stages of Parkin'sons when he fought Berbick FFS.
Fedor debuted in a 7 year-old sport with an ankle-deep talent pool. There was like 3 gyms lol. His two best wins went 10-12 in the UFC and 2 of his "elite" wins (Coleman) were against a guy who fought at UFC 10.
Currently at least 7 guys who beat the brakes off "prime" Fedor and at least 4 with CLEARLY better resumes.
Be honest, you actually looked at every opponent, and listed his worst wins. Jon Jones has 7 such wins as well, as does Anderson, he even lost to one such guy.... Take out Ogawa also, it may in fact be a legit win. Don't also give some bs that just because he is Japanese that he sucks because the UFC currently has no Japanese stars. Also consider that many of those names came when Fedora fought in Rings before he was Pride champion.
Overall he has a great resume, even though he never fought in the UFC.
Overall he has a great resume, even though he never fought in the UFC.
7 guys beat the breaks off "prime Fedor". ... Do you mean Kohsaka, or his loss in Sambo against Ivanov? Or do you mean seven active fighters.... I suppose you would include Mark Hunt right.
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