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There is Fedor and anderson Silva in the convo and have always been but I beg to differ due to all roundness issue and if we look at it from a pure MMA dictionary point of view then they are GOAT level but not on equal terms with Jones and GSP.
I appreciate the fact that they were untraditional but that is as far as it goes because nothing was secure on before hand meaning before they stepped inside the octagon and making light work of opponents not so good as themselves. They were good strikers but little bit wild and untraditional in pure MMA sense despite all the crazy wins they had nothing was secure (I will explain later what I mean by secure)
1. Competition was never really as good as the competition Jones and GSP faced
2. Anyone who is well rounded and can find loop holes can chellenge fedor and the Spider (More so the spider due to his lack of wrestling base still a legend striker but that handicap is huge)
3. Point fighting (This is big part of MMA neglected or considered bad for whatever reason but big part of MMA and fundamental)
establishing a base where you can enter the octagon and still walk away with the victory is huge and you don't have to finish your opponent or vice-versa. Being an excellent point scorer comes with extreme practice and learning distance, elusiveness, timing, speed, and calculcating the moves and staying ahead of your opponent.
You can still be a very good elite fighter and fight the fight of your life and still lose to Jones in a 5 round fight on the score cards? Example Gustaffson's proved that you can beat the shit out of Jones but he will still make space for himself and move around the cage in ways that grant him advantage to land vital strikes enough to secure the fight. He keeps distances and has learned how to use his length expertly plus setting winning game-plans and it dosen't matter how tough the opponent or how much he can take on the night example like Glover he was tough and took alot of damage but still lost convincingly and it was not even close and never really harmed Jones.
The same tactics is used by GSP but even in more extreme ways and way more defensive then Jones. He uses distances and staying away from harm as much as possible and his center of the octagon takedowns are mostly defensive and they come as counter to a missed jab or punch. His the grand-master of 50-45 and this comes with being well rounded and defensive overall and paying close attention to minor details and uses more time in nullifying the opponent then offensive.
You can walk in the octagon fight the fight of your life and still walk out as the loser when you fight Jones and GSP. You will probably get 50-45'ed or 49-46'ed if you don't get stopped.
This don't apply to Anderson and fedor and they don't have the all roundess and durablity plus the IQ to make things confusing for their opponents and basically outwit them but they can only beat them up and if the opponent is tough and gamed they can lose.
The Win-lose ratio favors fighting styles like GSP and Jones and they barely lose and when they do it's just silly mistake that shouldn't have happened and still dosen't mean they are not superior to their opponents. Gsp proved this that his W and L count on him and not his opponent.
If they are in their prime and well prepared it's very difficult to claim a victory over them except for a fluke win which dosen't even mean the opponent is better then them.
What I mean by secure is that the ratio win is way much higher and secure with GSP and Jones
I appreciate the fact that they were untraditional but that is as far as it goes because nothing was secure on before hand meaning before they stepped inside the octagon and making light work of opponents not so good as themselves. They were good strikers but little bit wild and untraditional in pure MMA sense despite all the crazy wins they had nothing was secure (I will explain later what I mean by secure)
1. Competition was never really as good as the competition Jones and GSP faced
2. Anyone who is well rounded and can find loop holes can chellenge fedor and the Spider (More so the spider due to his lack of wrestling base still a legend striker but that handicap is huge)
3. Point fighting (This is big part of MMA neglected or considered bad for whatever reason but big part of MMA and fundamental)
establishing a base where you can enter the octagon and still walk away with the victory is huge and you don't have to finish your opponent or vice-versa. Being an excellent point scorer comes with extreme practice and learning distance, elusiveness, timing, speed, and calculcating the moves and staying ahead of your opponent.
You can still be a very good elite fighter and fight the fight of your life and still lose to Jones in a 5 round fight on the score cards? Example Gustaffson's proved that you can beat the shit out of Jones but he will still make space for himself and move around the cage in ways that grant him advantage to land vital strikes enough to secure the fight. He keeps distances and has learned how to use his length expertly plus setting winning game-plans and it dosen't matter how tough the opponent or how much he can take on the night example like Glover he was tough and took alot of damage but still lost convincingly and it was not even close and never really harmed Jones.
The same tactics is used by GSP but even in more extreme ways and way more defensive then Jones. He uses distances and staying away from harm as much as possible and his center of the octagon takedowns are mostly defensive and they come as counter to a missed jab or punch. His the grand-master of 50-45 and this comes with being well rounded and defensive overall and paying close attention to minor details and uses more time in nullifying the opponent then offensive.
You can walk in the octagon fight the fight of your life and still walk out as the loser when you fight Jones and GSP. You will probably get 50-45'ed or 49-46'ed if you don't get stopped.
This don't apply to Anderson and fedor and they don't have the all roundess and durablity plus the IQ to make things confusing for their opponents and basically outwit them but they can only beat them up and if the opponent is tough and gamed they can lose.
The Win-lose ratio favors fighting styles like GSP and Jones and they barely lose and when they do it's just silly mistake that shouldn't have happened and still dosen't mean they are not superior to their opponents. Gsp proved this that his W and L count on him and not his opponent.
If they are in their prime and well prepared it's very difficult to claim a victory over them except for a fluke win which dosen't even mean the opponent is better then them.
What I mean by secure is that the ratio win is way much higher and secure with GSP and Jones
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