Why don't thais set up their kicks? | Page 7

Discussion in 'Muay Thai and Kickboxing' started by jtwarwagon4life, Mar 12, 2017.

  1. jtwarwagon4life Blue Belt

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    If Satanmuanglek could fight international (which he can't because there aren't really any fighters his size outside of Thailand) and beat up a few token Europeans, his stock would shoot through the roof overnight. Caposa, Bourdon, Warman and all those other guys wouldn't be able to get enough of him. People talk about Takeru as though he was some sort of mythical violence god, well Satanmuanglek is actually a violence god, who's actually a good fighter and fights 5 times as often as Takeru. If this guy put on the kind of fights that he does in the stadiums, abroad, fight in fight out he would be every wannabe kickfighting hipster's favourite fighter. As it is he's just another stadium fighter who doesn't have what it takes to get "traction".

    That's why I can't understand Kanka's claim about people finding kickboxing so much easier to get into than stadium muay thai. We have guys like Satanmuanglek, Seksan, Yodlekpet and Rotlek who fight every month.
     
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  2. Cocakillbana Brown Belt

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    How long did you lurk this forum before joining and how long have you been following Muay Thai?
     
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    He's right on that. You're thinking too far. For most it's the initial barrier. Names, language and the similar look of most thais.

    And more is not always better. At least when it comes to gathering fans and hype building towards fights.




    agreed on that, even though I don't think the same way about Takeru.
     
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  4. verrix White Belt

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    I'm not talking about them. To be clear, I really got into muay thai after watching Sittichai/Roosmalen 1 and stumbling on this forum. I was a silly little mma dork who read jack slack and believed everything he said, and since coming out of that phase I haven't really paid attention to sports bloggers.

    My problem is really with the audience who don't care about muay thai (though that's fine on its own) and the ideas that are allowed to run rampant. Since I went straight from mma dork to muay thai hipster I don't really know how kickboxing fans are different from mma fans, but from the sounds of it it's the same shit.

    A lot of mma coaches/fighters/writers also believe the same nonsense and they have a reasonably close connection to kickboxing, you'd think they would be corrected at some point.
     
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    I've always view correcting and dispelling all the misinformation which is out there (because there is alot of it and it's pernicious) as one of the most essential functions of someone who's a real muay thai fan. However, around here the attitude seems to be "don't bitch about all the nonsense that's out there just try and make a positive contribution by reporting the real facts". I never understood how people are ever supposed to become better informed about muay thai, if we don't clear the ground a little first removing some of the rubbish which lies in the way to knowlege.
     
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    Muay Thai hipsters are the logicians of fight sports. I welcome you, verrix.
     
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    I've told you many times I thought you had a ton of knowledge and and have done a great job at spreading that specifically in the MT thread. I'm not sure of what you do beyond this forum though. Most of what I saw on Twitter was the same negativety calling out people for being wrong rather than educating them. I just don't see that approach as effective. Many of the people you loathe are just doing the same thing and not making a cent either. Not to say that their aren't cases when someone does need to be smacked tho.
     
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    he wrote some articles for liverkick or bloody elbow or something along those lines. also did highlight videos on his youtube.
     
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    Uh ya I obviously don't agree with that comparison and I'd wager there isn't a concensus on here that does. Why shouldn't we want to see that fight though? Why wouldn't I want to see that? I got into Muay Thai because of guys like Yod and Buakaw damn near 15 years ago. I have been watching a guy fight for 15 years, and I'm not supposed to excited to see him fight the arguably the best current fighter at his weight class. Okay.

    I thought they had to be white for us to care though?
     
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  10. verrix White Belt

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    The only way of knowing those fighters are consistently exciting is if you've watched them 2-3 times, and if you're doing that then you're probably already a muay thai fan. If you aren't a muay thai fan then you have no way of knowing who they are in the first place, right? You have to go out of your way to know anything about the sport, and nobody is really profiling or gushing about fighters the way they do with mma guys or kickboxers. I don't need a dramatic lifestory, just some idea of which fighters I might like.

    The happenings in thailand thread is awesome but requires a lot of lurking or prior knowledge before it all makes sense, because its for people that already know their shit. I like learning things that way, but most people need something more.
     
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    That's a fair point and I don't really disagree with that. If you've been lurking on here long enough you've had to of seen me call bullshit on false Muay Thai information and I initially signed up to correct people on shit like "Muay Thai guys have shitty hands" and other fasehoods. I only called you out for being hacky. I thought the material was overdone not the points you were making.

    I do however disagree with the racisim motivated accusations as it being the source of the misrepresentation or lack of interest towards Muay Thai however.

    I don't know if I can keep this up I hope y'all appreciate the effort it takes to debate on a damn phone.
     
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  12. Kanka Brown Belt

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    I think culture and proximity is more relevant to fans than skin color
     
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    Mostly things that go unnoticed. Slogging through years of records to make wiki pages (Sagetdao, Singdam, Pornsaneh, Sam-A etc..), made a bunch of highlights with many of them (best of the month highlights) taking lots of time, sieved probably thousands of fights which made it so people could avoid the shitty matches and instead see the good fights they might not have known about. On top of that I pretty much introduced philosophy of Muay Thai.
     
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    I've never been associated with liverkick or bloodyelbow.
     
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    nevermind then. Thought you had some dispute with someone on here, for not putting your name on some article (?) or something.
     
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    I can agree with that, but lets keep things in perspective. They're still just plebs that are going to have vast misconceptions either way.

    Just addressing a specific point you asked me about. If I missed another point you made feel free to reiterate, brother.
     
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    Welcome to our dysfunctional club @verrix !
     
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    So, once two thais have gone through the rigmarole of beating up a couple of white boy, they are given the kickfighting gold stamp of approval. Once, that happens fights between two thais are acceptable, even very interesting. Since now they're two of the greatest fighters who ever lived and totally legit.
     
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    I don't know exactly, probably lurked for 2 years at least. Only started watching current muay thai events within the last 2 years, before that I'd been watching mostly golden era footage for maybe another year or 2.
     
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    The most sensible thing anyone, except Coca, has said on here in a long time.
     
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