Why doesn't Communism work?

You're a moron.

It is because it kills individualism. A group of people deciding for the rest who are then forced to behave and live that way. That is why.
Absolute power also calls for absolute corruption.

You're welcome
You're saying something similar to what he's saying actually. No need to be a dick about it.
 
Communism or Marxism in particular provides a needed perspective about the struggle to control the means of production throughout history. It also correctly describes how nationalism / fascism is used to keep the means of production in the hands of the ruling class.

It failed in recognizing how nationalism has been in many senses a better stalwart against capitalism than international communism. It also failed to see that capitalism would adapt (i.e. Social programs) to protect itself.

Finally, while it provided a needed perspective on the fight to control the means of production, it failed completely at understanding the means of production. This is communism's biggest failure. Value is subjective and is mainly determined by voluntary exchanges that encourage competition and innovation not some objective thing that is extracted via exploitation of the working class.
 
That it is centralized power, that even if setup correctly to begin with, would become corrupt over time, with no check or balance against that centralized power.

It is basically a path to Nero or Stalin.

How is that different than what we have today?
 
How is that different than what we have today?

In the result.....Not much.

Our system was originally designed to be federal and state power checking each other, and then this evolved to private and public power checking each other once federal power became dominant.

Now we have the evil union of private and public power, and it might just be worse then Nero/Stalin/Hitler babies.
 
In the result.....Not much.

Our system was originally designed to be federal and state power checking each other, and then this evolved to private and public power checking each other once federal power became dominant.

Now we have the evil union of private and public power, and it might just be worse then Nero/Stalin/Hitler babies.

I honestly don't understand it. If you're a billionaire, why not just live your life of luxury and say fuck off to politics?

The way I see these rich politicians/people trying to control the world is like the winner of a race going back and tripping the people still running because they're bored sitting at the finish line.

Maybe not the best analogy, since money isn't everything. But it sure does help.
 
How is that different than what we have today?

What we have today. Except without any kinds of checks and balances whatsoever.


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It's the lack of checks and balances, together with a grossly lopsided power-structure from the getgo. Its a corruption-rewarding system, moreso than the other types of government which pre-establish less in the way of government totalitarianistic power.
 
I honestly don't understand it. If you're a billionaire, why not just live your life of luxury and say fuck off to politics?

The way I see these rich politicians/people trying to control the world is like the winner of a race going back and tripping the people still running because they're bored sitting at the finish line.

Maybe not the best analogy, since money isn't everything. But it sure does help.

My very tinfoil answer has to do with either population, or ancient cabals at war.

Which is more or less saying, there isn't a good answer to why the elites are sowing instability.

Maybe it is as simple as absolute power corrupts absolutely. Basically that they inbred themselves into retards.
 
It was invented by an arrogant asshole out of thin air who thought he could come up with a perfect system even though he himself acknowledged that capitalism worked and was better than the previous systems. I honestly think that if Marx himself had seen what the various strains of Marxism had done to the world, he would have disavowed his own system. Marx coming up with the system in and of itself wasn't the problem, the problem was that some stupid, naive and outright evil people actually listened to him and tried to implement it.


Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Khrushchev, Pol Pot, Gramsci, Mao, and all the others were FAR from stupid Jackie.

Most of these people were highly educated with many learning about marxism from european colleges. Pol Pot actually went to college in france.

The Communists and Cultural Marxists/critical theorists of the twentieth century were far more intelligent than most of us here on sherdog.

"outright evil people"

According to who? You? These communists were atheists, they didn't believe in "good" or "evil". They were beyond this good vs evil christian paradigm.

They only believed in creating an atheistic, collectivist, "utopia" on the ruins of capitalism.
 
My very tinfoil answer has to do with either population, or ancient cabals at war.

Which is more or less saying, there isn't a good answer to why the elites are sowing instability.

Maybe it is as simple as absolute power corrupts absolutely. Basically that they inbred themselves into retards.

Lol @ inbred into retards.
Would make a great movie. Possibly another Hills Have Eyes sequel.

I honestly think it's boredom and they don't know how to do anything else.

People have been born and bred for violence and conflict, and believe it or not, there's a lot less of that around than there was in the past.
 
Because it assumes that everyone is equal, which isn't true. Some are just simply better than others.
 
Lol @ inbred into retards.
Would make a great movie. Possibly another Hills Have Eyes sequel.

I honestly think it's boredom and they don't know how to do anything else.

People have been born and bred for violence and conflict, and believe it or not, there's a lot less of that around than there was in the past.


I am one who buys into the idea that resource scarcity is what makes us violent creatures, not our nature. More of a feelz then a belief.

However, you could be 100% correct.
 
Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin, Khrushchev, Pol Pot, Gramsci, Mao, and all the others were FAR from stupid Jackie.

Most of these people were highly educated with many learning about marxism from european colleges. Pol Pot actually went to college in france.

The Communists and Cultural Marxists/critical theorists of the twentieth century were far more intelligent than most of us here on sherdog.

"outright evil people"

According to who? You? These communists were atheists, they didn't believe in "good" or "evil". They were beyond this good vs evil christian paradigm.

They only believed in creating an atheistic, collectivist, "utopia" on the ruins of capitalism.
I wasn't just referring to the leadership, but the rank-and-file who bought into it. And there are people who are intellectually sound but effectively stupid. I stand behind what I said. As a fellow atheist, they disgust me. Pol Pot tried to kill all the intellectuals in Cambodia and just terrorized almost all of the population there. Evil ideology, I don't care what adjective you choose to describe it. It's strange what you're honing in on.
 
I wasn't just referring to the leadership, but the rank-and-file who bought into it. And there are people who are intellectually sound but effectively stupid. I stand behind what I said. As a fellow atheist, they disgust me. Pol Pot tried to kill all the intellectuals in Cambodia and just terrorized almost all of the population there. Evil ideology, I don't care what adjective you choose to describe it. It's strange what you're honing in on.

"Evil ideology"

Not necessarily true. Bloodshed and depravity doesn't NECESSARILY follow the implementation of Marxism.

After all atheists still argue for Socialism and communism today!

Ask yourself why the communists didn't see anything wrong with slaughtering millions of people. They were far from madmen.

Do you think fallible human nature, moral relativism, and too much power being in the hands of too few people could have had something to do with it?

You should ponder on these things.
 
Communism:

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Capitalism:

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It works at a community level. It is difficult to integrate into a large nationalist system.

It barely works at a household level. It only works in tribes when nobody has anything anyway.

1 theres no incentive to do anything because you get paid no matter what

More like don't get paid no matter what.

There's nothing to share when productivity goes to shit.
 
"Evil ideology"

Not necessarily true. Bloodshed and depravity doesn't NECESSARILY follow the implementation of Marxism.

After all atheists still argue for Socialism and communism today!

Ask yourself why the communists didn't see anything wrong with slaughtering millions of people. They were far from madmen.

Do you think fallible human nature, moral relativism, and too much power being in the hands of too few people could have had something to do with it?

You should ponder on these things.
It happens every single time. It's an evil ideology, even if some of the rank-and-file don't have that intention. It's the worst type of tyranny.


“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

C.S. Lewis
 
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