Why do nationalists praise Putin instead of Xi?

I think they like him, but he doesn't have much of a public face
 
Putin isn't a nationalist and certainly not an ethno-nationalist
People who think otherwise are confused.
 
Somebody like Orban should be their guy rather than Putin.
 
Because those people praising them aren't real nationalist.
You can't be a real nationalist without being a socialist.

Putin is an oligarch and Xi is some sort of strange communists in a country with Billionaires.
Both of them would be shot for treason in a real nationalist country.
 
a dictator would want more government power.
 
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As noted above, most of these people aren't real nationalists. If they were, they would hate the idea of Putin interfering in our elections and want to beat both countries, Russia and China, in the global marketplace and in terms of wielding international influence. Instead we have this inexplicable love affair with a foreign leader whose interests do not align with ours.
 
panamaican said:
As noted above, most of these people aren't real nationalists. If they were, they would hate the idea of Putin interfering in our elections and want to beat both countries, Russia and China, in the global marketplace and in terms of wielding international influence. Instead we have this inexplicable love affair with a foreign leader whose interests do not align with ours.
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Oh, I think it's been explained pretty well by now...
 
Can you quote a few of these nationalists who praise Putin? I haven't been specifically looking out for it, but I also don't think I've happened upon anybody saying Putin is a great guy.
 
panamaican said:
As noted above, most of these people aren't real nationalists. If they were, they would hate the idea of Putin interfering in our elections and want to beat both countries, Russia and China, in the global marketplace and in terms of wielding international influence. Instead we have this inexplicable love affair with a foreign leader whose interests do not align with ours.
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That really depends on the interference though, doesn't it? If the guy was like changing vote tallies or something, that would be a little more egregious than what did happen, which was them just giving voters more true information that a US presidential candidate was trying to lie to voters about. How pissed am I supposed to be about having more true information? It's was more enraging that we have a billion media outlets who all make a ton of money pretending to report the news and goddamn degenerate Vladimir Putin had to do their jobs for them.
 
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That really depends on the interference though, doesn't it? If the guy was like changing vote tallies or something, that would be a little more egregious than what did happen, which was them just giving voters more true information that a US presidential candidate was trying to lie to voters about. How pissed am I supposed to be about having more true information? It's was more enraging that we have a billion media outlets who all make a ton of money pretending to report the news and goddamn degenerate Vladimir Putin had to do their jobs for them.
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No, it really wouldn't depend on the type of interference. Any interference should upset a nationalist because any interference from a foreign nation, no matter how small, compromises our sovereignty.

It's like someone saying they believe in completely monogamous marriages but they're okay with a little cheating.

The 2 positions shouldn't co-exist. If someone is okay with even a little foreign power interference then I say that their nationalist bonafides are in question. They can use the information and still be up in arms about how they got it.

And of course it should be more enraging than a billion media outlets if the media outlets are run by members of your nation. Nationalists should put their nation and their nation's members above foreign nations. Claiming that a foreign power is less concerning than a corporation run by legal citizens just means that "nationalism" isn't what drives the value system.

But maybe we're using different definitions of nationalist?
 
Who here in the WR has praised Putin?

Go ahead and drop their names and provide quotes.
 
panamaican said:
No, it really wouldn't depend on the type of interference. Any interference should upset a nationalist because any interference from a foreign nation, no matter how small, compromises our sovereignty.

It's like someone saying they believe in completely monogamous marriages but they're okay with a little cheating.

The 2 positions shouldn't co-exist. If someone is okay with even a little foreign power interference then I say that their nationalist bonafides are in question. They can use the information and still be up in arms about how they got it.

And of course it should be more enraging than a billion media outlets if the media outlets are run by members of your nation. Nationalists should put their nation and their nation's members above foreign nations. Claiming that a foreign power is less concerning than a corporation run by legal citizens just means that "nationalism" isn't what drives the value system.

But maybe we're using different definitions of nationalist?
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Maybe we are, because I would consider nationalism someone who thinks national matters and citizens should take precedence. I don't know if there ever has been such a thing as a nationalist if we're going by your definition of hating everyone else and taking the side of anyone from your country in every case no matter what. That sounds like buffoonery. I'm not cool with my own country's media lying to me just because they broadcast from here.
 
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