why do mma fighters do so well in kickboxing?

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you have reem, who IMO is still an MMA fighter first. some people say yeah eh trained dutch kickboxing for years but his main sport was mma for a while.

also, reem has been damaged by strikes in mma fights way more than in his k-1 matches. seems ironic becuase K1 guys are supposed to be the ones beating him on the feet, and mma guys are supposed to be winning by ground stuff.

also, rampage jackson winning cyril abidi twice, an abidi who beat peter aerts an ATG.

We also have kato vs schilling. the first fight was an mma match that KATO won by superman punch.

the rematch was in kickboxing, schillings specialty. and kato (no kickboxing experience) knocked him out.

honorable mention: bob sapp, not an mma guy buy a big, crude, no skill street fighter, was bale t beat ernesto hoost (kickboxing hall of famer legend) twice.

why does mma seem to have the upperhand?

is it the unorthodoxness?
 
because they were kickboxers first ya goof
 
Because K1 level kickboxing is the most overrated bullshit since BJJ blackbelt.
 
reckufssa said:
you have reem, who IMO is still an MMA fighter first. some people say yeah eh trained dutch kickboxing for years but his main sport was mma for a while.

also, reem has been damaged by strikes in mma fights way more than in his k-1 matches. seems ironic becuase K1 guys are supposed to be the ones beating him on the feet, and mma guys are supposed to be winning by ground stuff.

also, rampage jackson winning cyril abidi twice, an abidi who beat peter aerts an ATG.

We also have kato vs schilling. the first fight was an mma match that KATO won by superman punch.

the rematch was in kickboxing, schillings specialty. and kato (no kickboxing experience) knocked him out.

honorable mention: bob sapp, not an mma guy buy a big, crude, no skill street fighter, was bale t beat ernesto hoost (kickboxing hall of famer legend) twice.

why does mma seem to have the upperhand?

is it the unorthodoxness?
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MMA does not have the upper hand. It's anecdotal evidence at best and isolated cases, you can't take that as average. Alistair probably gets KOed more in MMA because of smaller gloves and the threat of takedown. It's easier to defend with bigger gloves and when opponents are allowed to use less weapons to beat you. Btw, most of Reem's fights in K-1 were at LHW so it's not only the gloves and the threat of takedown, but a power difference as well.

Abidi was never a top tier K-1 fighter. Sure, he had some victories over Aerts but that's one of those cases where a fighter simply has another fighter's number. Overall, Abidi's career was not even 20% as successful as the one of Aerts.

Bob Sapp won over Hoost because Hoost let his pride take over and went to trade blows with a man double his size, instead if just technically destroying him with low kicks and keeping him away.
 
Easier to block strikes in K1, with the big gloves.

Legs and body take a fucking beating though.
 
everyone is K1 level striking until they get hit in the face
 
superman punch is a small glove move not terrible effective otherwise probably not something Joes used to. you could also argue he clubbed him with the forearm in KB making it a NC i think
 
in kickboxing you only have to focus on the standup where as in mma the threat of a takedown and what can change how a striker defends strikes coming at them. in kickboxing you get bigger gloves to block shots and you only gonna worry about out striking your opponent - its a lot of volume striking. ur legs thighs and body are gonna hurt like hell.
 
kickboxing is an overrated striking art, they have absolutely NO head movement and boxing defense. most of the time in MMA the kick boxing base guy gets destroyed by the boxing based fighter
 
reckufssa said:
Rampage and kato werent
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Rampage hits (used to hit?) like a goddamned truck. Kato is tricky and clearly a bad matchup for Schilling. Kato lost by KO to Manhoef, who lost by KO to Schilling. Would you consider Hallman better than Hughes? Or would you just say Hallman had his number? Exactly like Kato vs Schilling. Also Kato has full contact kickboxing experience, just not K1.

DoopidyDawesome said:
Because K1 level kickboxing is the most overrated bullshit since BJJ blackbelt.
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Neither make a man invincible, neither are they "overrated bullshit".

Vintersorg said:
Btw, most of Reem's fights in K-1 were at LHW
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Thats simply not true. He got KO'd by Glaube Feitosa and Errol Parris then went to MMA. His next K1 fight was against Badr Hari.

Sonnyboi83 said:
everyone is K1 level striking until they get hit in the face
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There is truth in this, despite being a joke. The small gloves place so much emphasis of accuracy over raw slugging power.


Pied Piper said:
kickboxing is an overrated striking art, they have absolutely NO head movement and boxing defense. most of the time in MMA the kick boxing base guy gets destroyed by the boxing based fighter
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Is that why The Flying Dutchman literally had Ray Mercer waving off the fight from a glancing blow? Pure Muay Thai fighters will be as susceptible to slick head movement and big punches as pure boxers are to kicks and clinch striking. Less so because Muay Thai fighters at least experience punches in their sport. A little history lesson... Arthur Williams defeated Rick Roufus, then lost soundly (destroyed) to Alexei Ignashov via low kicks. The key there is Rick Roufus is the intermediate. American kickboxer with slicker hands than most Thai fighters but with less efficient low and mid (round) kicks. Flashy kicks, sideways stance, slick hand attacks. That style could get wrecked by a lot of pure boxers, could also get wrecked by pure Muay Thai. Could also have success against both. Individual fighters shouldn't reflect upon martial arts as a whole, tis silly.
 
Rampage beat Abidi twice, Abidi was average at best, that doesn't mean Rampage was successful....
 
Mungoose said:
Rampage hits (used to hit?) like a goddamned truck. Kato is tricky and clearly a bad matchup for Schilling. Kato lost by KO to Manhoef, who lost by KO to Schilling. Would you consider Hallman better than Hughes? Or would you just say Hallman had his number? Exactly like Kato vs Schilling. Also Kato has full contact kickboxing experience, just not K1.


Neither make a man invincible, neither are they "overrated bullshit".


Thats simply not true. He got KO'd by Glaube Feitosa and Errol Parris then went to MMA. His next K1 fight was against Badr Hari.


There is truth in this, despite being a joke. The small gloves place so much emphasis of accuracy over raw slugging power.



Is that why The Flying Dutchman literally had Ray Mercer waving off the fight from a glancing blow? Pure Muay Thai fighters will be as susceptible to slick head movement and big punches as pure boxers are to kicks and clinch striking. Less so because Muay Thai fighters at least experience punches in their sport. A little history lesson... Arthur Williams defeated Rick Roufus, then lost soundly (destroyed) to Alexei Ignashov via low kicks. The key there is Rick Roufus is the intermediate. American kickboxer with slicker hands than most Thai fighters but with less efficient low and mid (round) kicks. Flashy kicks, sideways stance, slick hand attacks. That style could get wrecked by a lot of pure boxers, could also get wrecked by pure Muay Thai. Could also have success against both. Individual fighters shouldn't reflect upon martial arts as a whole, tis silly.
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Diaz v cerrone
Masvidal v cerrone
Conor v aldo
 
Because if you fail at boxing you become an mma fighter. If you fail at mma you become a kickboxer.
 
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