Why do Fighter's with Cardio Problems ignore said problem?

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  1. Kaiokenrye24 Purple Belt

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    To turn a wrestler/grappler into a fluid striker usually takes some time and a strong work ethic (TJ Dillashaw, Rafael Dos Anjos). Sometimes it will take more than 1 camp to see all the progression.

    But conditioning is something that can be fixed relatively quickly and there are fighters from the journeyman-prospect level(Marcin Held, Warley Alves) to the championip level(Aldo,Mcgregor) that allow cardio to cost them wins. Fighters like Max Holloway and Tony Ferguson have used Cardio to enhance their other skills and become a champion level fighter It won't win fights alone obviously, but it seems like an obvious thing not to overlook.

    Why do fighters let conditioning get in the way of achieving their potential?
     
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    Cardio is like any other part of athleticism and is determined in part by genetics.

    In addition you condition yourself to different things, running wont necessarily mean you will be able to grapple for a long time without getting tired, which is going to involve a lot more energy and muscle use.

    Its not as easy as "You're lazy, get on the treadmill"
     
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    "But conditioning is something that can be fixed relatively quickly" This is a laughably naive, and ignorant statement. Nearly everybody in the UFC is fairly well conditioned for their frame... if you're a guy like Tyron Woodley to go 5 rounds he can only afford a handful of explosive exchanges.. if he pushes harder than that he knows he'll gas. Tony no doubt is one of the hardest workers in the UFC, but it would be silly to not credit genetics, and body type a little bit... it's not a coincidence the dude that looks like a marathon runner has good cardio, and the guy that looks like a bodybuilder has shit cardio.
     
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    Because cardio isn't something that can be changed in one fight camp
     
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    Well because you're wrong.
    Cardio isn't something you can change quickly.
     
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    Some guys just have it. Some don't. It isn't just as easy as working on it.
     
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    Classic excuse making. Your cardio suck? Work on your breathing technique, and move your training camp to altitude. When you come down to fight at sea level, you'll feel like you're swimming in oxygen (and nitrogen). The vast majority of fighters that have cardio issues have them because they spend too much time building their beach muscles and/or too little time working on their stamina.
     
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    Why fighter with no Power don't try to hit harder ?
     
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    That's nonsense. Yes some people have a genetic head start but you gain cardio by repeating repetitions of whatever it is that you're doing.
    The fighters who gas out either don't know how to pace themselves or they're not training right.
     
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    Cardio is not speed/athleticism, a lot of athletically challenged fighters can push the pace
     
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    Or they spend their time you know, sparring and rolling. And yes, lifting to build muscles. You know, ones that help muscling other men around or generating power into strikes. Cardio is just one part of fitness and unless you are on PEDs, you are not going to be able to train two of three times a day for a prolonged period of time without injury.

    Not to mention not all fighters have the ability to move their camps into altitude, and many simply wont ever be cardio beasts. IDGAF how long someone with Hunt's body type runs, he won't be a marathon runner.
     
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    Genetics aren't as simple as "good" or "bad". Different people will be better at different things.

    Those guys have better cardio probably do work their asses off, or they might and probably do have genes beneficial to that style.
     
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    Often "cardio" problem is a lack of heart problem.
     
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    True some guys will have better cardio than other, but at the end of the day you can get it to a point where it doesn't cost you fights you should win. All the TAM guys have great cardio because they work it into their program. Garbrandt is a ko artist and Elkins is a grinder, but their cardio is what makes them so tough. If Elkins didn't have cardio, he doesn't beat Bektic
     
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    Sure he can. Will he be a competitive marathon runner? Probably not but he can run and train shedding his fat and complete a marathon. I trained for a marathon and the most I ran in prep was 9 miles (big mistake) and finished the LA marathon.
     
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    Explain training right.

    When you have to do a dozen different kinds of training, its hard to do everything to mastery. Especially without PEDs.

    Yoy are right with "repetitions of what you're doing".This is why a wrestler is going to be able to grapple longer without getting tired and a striker will be able to do that longer.
     
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    You don't need elite cardio genetics to be able to go for 5 rounds in MMA
     
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    TAM fighters have almost universally great cardio because it's something that they highly prioritize in their program. Garbrandt the ko artist and Elkins the grinder both have top notch cardio. Not every fighter will have that kind of cardio, but at this level it shouldn't be costing you wins
     
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    sonnen said something like a marathon vs a sprint. some fighters go for the sprint some go for the marathon. also its not just about having good cardio you have to outwork your opponent. if he pushes the pace the whole fight it will be a lot harder. you have to know when to rest and not panic and when not to go all out for a finish. a lot of factors.

    also you mentioned grapplers improving their striking which is true but a natural striker usually is still better.
     
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    Mark Hunt was in great shape(relatively speaking) in his fight with Derrick Lewis.
     
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