Why did people act as if BJJ was something new when it's just Newaza Judo?
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So... How were the Gracies allowed to pretend to invent a new system? Was there no outrage from the Judo community?
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At the time the words Jiu jitsu be judo were used intergaibly and referring to the same thing.
Over time the kodokan absorbed most judo schools and focused on stand up and winning under whatever the Olympic rule set was at the time.
The Gracie's went down a different path of the same art.
Over time they looked different enough to have their own names.
Over time the kodokan absorbed most judo schools and focused on stand up and winning under whatever the Olympic rule set was at the time.
The Gracie's went down a different path of the same art.
Over time they looked different enough to have their own names.
Not true. It's the same techniques to this day.
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So it's not true that BJJ and Judo refer to two different styles?
Have different rules, tournaments, belts. People on both sides don't crosstrain to strengthen their primary game?
Have different rules, tournaments, belts. People on both sides don't crosstrain to strengthen their primary game?
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I'm calling it.
Troll thread.
If you are genuine you can read the 900 posts that have already covered the subject. Maybe even necro a few
Troll thread.
If you are genuine you can read the 900 posts that have already covered the subject. Maybe even necro a few
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Im not sure why this question is always brought up. The answer remains the same. As Renzo Gracie once pointed out, yes they are the same thing, with different rules. With different rules comes different evolutions and strategies. They become different. Just as Kosen Judo is quite different than Olympic Judo. It's still Judo but people who are Kosen specialist play alot different. Because they have the time on the ground to develop different strategies to win. Olympic Judo you have only a few strategies that could work on the ground because of the time constraints.
BJJ also evolved in a Vale Tu-do culture, which is no surprise considering Maeda was a pro fighter and so were the Gracies. This emphasis on fighting led to emphasis of different phases of combat which is probably enough to warrant distinction. I think Kano would be pretty happy with the different paths his art has taken, afterall BJJ, Judo and Sambo all operate by principle of maximum efficiency with minimal effort. They are always evolving.
Most respected BJJ guys know where they came from. For example Ralph Gracie has a picture of Kano in the middle of his main academy in SF. They know.
BJJ also evolved in a Vale Tu-do culture, which is no surprise considering Maeda was a pro fighter and so were the Gracies. This emphasis on fighting led to emphasis of different phases of combat which is probably enough to warrant distinction. I think Kano would be pretty happy with the different paths his art has taken, afterall BJJ, Judo and Sambo all operate by principle of maximum efficiency with minimal effort. They are always evolving.
Most respected BJJ guys know where they came from. For example Ralph Gracie has a picture of Kano in the middle of his main academy in SF. They know.
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Now I know you are trolling.
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F12 is the tutorial level for trolls
Judo is just a plagiarism of the grappling in Japanese Ju Jitsu. Why is it allowed to exist without getting sued?
All grappling arts are essentially the same thing with different focuses. Those focuses are expressed in how the averahe practitioners grapple, but ultimately you're doing more or less the same thing.
That doesn't address my point. Why are you singling out Judo when it's not the oldest grappling art
To answer your question part of it is Gracie marketing, and part of it is that Gracie JJ uses the same moves as Judo but emphasizes a different overall strategy which is seen in how the practitioners fought.
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Short answer: Rorian is a master of marketing and the first UFCs with skinny Royce were perfect for showing BJJ to the world. Movies, Karate and Kung Fu type MAs had been popular throughout the 70s and 80s and that's what the world thought fighting was. The mainstream had forgot about Boxing, wrestling and Judo. Most people would rather live in a fantasy world anyway. Throughout most of the 1900s Judo was the preeminent form of grappling. With pro fighters like Maeda, Taro Miyake and Yukio Tani showing the world how strong it was. But the world has short memories and they move on. Judo became more and more focused on the Olympics and when BJJ came around it was a wake up call sortof back to the old days.
Because they aren't the same. A judo black belt and a BJJ black belt don't have the the same skill sets. There will be a good deal of overlap, but still very distinct.
More important, though, is the training
methodology and the strategies that the training produces. If you took identical people and sent one to judo and the other to BJJ, they'd come out as quite different grapplers. These differences definitely matter.
These differences are also the same that distingush judo from traditional jiu-jitsu (or jujutsu, the spelling difference is just a relic from old-timey inconsistencies). They're similar, but not the same.
As for plagiarism . . . A quick dictionary search of the word "plagiarism" will answer that question pretty well.
More important, though, is the training
methodology and the strategies that the training produces. If you took identical people and sent one to judo and the other to BJJ, they'd come out as quite different grapplers. These differences definitely matter.
These differences are also the same that distingush judo from traditional jiu-jitsu (or jujutsu, the spelling difference is just a relic from old-timey inconsistencies). They're similar, but not the same.
As for plagiarism . . . A quick dictionary search of the word "plagiarism" will answer that question pretty well.
