Why des Romero have poor ground control and no sub game?

Discussion in 'UFC Discussion' started by Kaiserjuan, Jun 13, 2018 at 3:18 PM.

  1. Kaiserjuan

    Kaiserjuan Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2014
    Messages:
    533
    Likes Received:
    545
    He had Rob hurt and turtled up on the ground several times but was never able to capitalize on those episodes as he should have.

    I would have thought that a wrestler with his pedigree would be able to control a rocked fighter on the ground and end the fight there either via gnp or sub. Surprisingly Whittaker was able to stand back up quite effortlessly both times as he regained full control over his body.

    DOn't get me wrong, yoel has shown some nice takedowns, trips and clinch control but he never had that fight-ending strong wrestling game which could have come in handy in his last fight.

    I'm not hating here, I believe Romero won the "fight" in fighting terms, on the scorecards it should have been a draw or a W for Romero
     
    MMAart and Melas Chasma like this.
  2. JustBleed69

    JustBleed69 Touch-Butt Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2015
    Messages:
    3,597
    Likes Received:
    4,205
    Likely doesn't train BJJ as much or as intensely as his striking and wrestling
     
    tramendous likes this.
  3. legkicktko

    legkicktko Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2015
    Messages:
    3,986
    Likes Received:
    5,238
    Well in this particular fight he was tired by that point.

    That said, Chael made a video about how his style of wrestling has different rules than the American style we are used to seeing. In the particular style yoel medaled in, you get points for takedowns but not necessarily for holding someone down or controlling them, according to the Portland gangster. That said, he said that wrestling style of wrestling yoel competed in is the most difficult in which to be world class because they are athletic monsters.
     
  4. mb23100

    mb23100 Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Sep 5, 2012
    Messages:
    13,161
    Likes Received:
    28,718
    He doesn't like to spend a lot of time rolling around with other guys on the ground

    No for gay Jesus
     
    Uncommon Valor, Toco, SteveMR and 4 others like this.
  5. Dozer .

    Dozer . Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2017
    Messages:
    3,022
    Likes Received:
    12,402
    He likes to bang
     
    Lord Toranaga, OmegaRugal and MMAart like this.
  6. yookfarb

    yookfarb Black Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2013
    Messages:
    7,435
    Likes Received:
    3,636
    Location:
    DMV
    He is a pure freestyle wrestler. It makes sense if you know the difference between the rules
     
  7. Edgy Brah

    Edgy Brah Look into it

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2017
    Messages:
    347
    Likes Received:
    864
    Location:
    Straya
    Bobby knuckles just too strong.
     
  8. Hazuki Ryo

    Hazuki Ryo Green Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2014
    Messages:
    1,414
    Likes Received:
    2,241
    It's true that Romero does not spend too much time on the ground. He's a blackbelt in BJJ though
     
  9. KONG-D'SNT-TAP

    KONG-D'SNT-TAP Titanium Belt

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2007
    Messages:
    35,871
    Likes Received:
    27,390
    Yeah I don't know why he didn't take the back and try for a choke.
     
  10. TheIrishPsycho

    TheIrishPsycho Red Belt

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2010
    Messages:
    8,570
    Likes Received:
    24,474
    Location:
    Sherdog
    His finishing is rather poor alright.
     
    MMAart likes this.
  11. Slatersan

    Slatersan Orange Belt

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2014
    Messages:
    451
    Likes Received:
    1,659
    When youre that good of a grappler im sure you are more focused on learning other aspects of mma. Jacare is one of the best bjj guys ever and had nothing in terms of grappling for yoel.
     
  12. MMAart

    MMAart Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Jul 8, 2015
    Messages:
    4,383
    Likes Received:
    6,757
    Yoel should go train with the guys at AKA. That smothering, grinding, and smashing style that Cain, Cormier, and Khabib uses would complete Yoel's fighting style.
     
  13. Flex Plexico

    Flex Plexico customized Gucci accessories

    Joined:
    Jan 19, 2013
    Messages:
    6,581
    Likes Received:
    8,327
    Location:
    Gulfport, FL
    →he's a republican; we don't do that←
     
  14. King in the North

    King in the North Yellow Belt

    Joined:
    May 7, 2018
    Messages:
    235
    Likes Received:
    609
    I think Whittaker is just difficult to control.

    His sub defense looked fine against Jacare, he literally dove into his guard after being taunted.

    He’s controlled fighters on the ground too, Machida and Brunson were finished violently with Romero on top.
     
  15. OmegaRugal

    OmegaRugal Black Belt

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2009
    Messages:
    6,536
    Likes Received:
    1,848

    Not sure if Yoel would ever have the cardio for that at his age without "help"
     
  16. mudrubble

    mudrubble Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2010
    Messages:
    10,234
    Likes Received:
    7,240
    Too busy murkin'
     
  17. Lord Toranaga

    Lord Toranaga Brown Belt

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2015
    Messages:
    4,121
    Likes Received:
    5,496
    Location:
    San Jose
    When was his last sub attempt? Has he ever tried to put hooks in?
     
  18. mudrubble

    mudrubble Silver Belt

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2010
    Messages:
    10,234
    Likes Received:
    7,240
    Too busy murkin'.

    Yoel is like a sideways gat.
     
  19. Uncommon Valor

    Uncommon Valor Super Fly

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2013
    Messages:
    8,263
    Likes Received:
    2,533
    Location:
    Earth
    Didn't he control and beat the shit out of Jacare on the ground? He controlled Weidman on the ground too, iirc. From the looks of it, he doesn't need to take people down when he's knocking the fuck out of people on their feet. As for Whittaker, he's hard to control and has really good tdd. And the fact that Romero had an easier time controlling Jacare than he did Whittaker is rather telling.
     
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2018 at 3:53 PM
  20. Gambit MMA

    Gambit MMA Black Belt

    Joined:
    May 24, 2014
    Messages:
    5,800
    Likes Received:
    8,747
    Location:
    Cleveland
    A sub game is not needed at this point and he’s too old to start learning where he’ll be at a high level
     
  21. Gambit MMA

    Gambit MMA Black Belt

    Joined:
    May 24, 2014
    Messages:
    5,800
    Likes Received:
    8,747
    Location:
    Cleveland
    My posts are being deleted randomly

    Wtf is going on
     
  22. P0NYBOY

    P0NYBOY Blue Belt

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2011
    Messages:
    733
    Likes Received:
    589
    Location:
    west palm beach
    Using the Jacare fight doesn't mean much considering he was flat out KO'd in the first round and spent the rest of the fight damaged and recovering. Even then, Romero almost let him get past.
     
  23. gono btw

    gono btw Rounds...

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2018
    Messages:
    2,092
    Likes Received:
    3,128
    Historically, not so many wrasslers with sub game...
     
  24. Dana_is_your_GOD

    Dana_is_your_GOD Gold Colored Name

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2016
    Messages:
    9,514
    Likes Received:
    17,881
    Location:
    Sara's Room
    How tf is he a BB
     

Share This Page