why can companies can choose what speech is allowed in their business, despite the 1st ammendment

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  1. Daddy af Double Yellow Card

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    not well versed n the subject. I know that a company can choose what speech is allowed in their company and can fire employees based on their words. But to my understanding free speech was protected by an amendment in the U.S.? so why is it that they can fire employees based on what they say, but they cant fire an employee based on their religion, which is also protected by the first amendment. Wonder if someone more knowledgable on American law and all that could enlighten me
     
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    The 1st Amendment is a prohibition on government. Not being fired for your religion is covered under a different law.
     
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    Private business I think can do that because what you say/do can represent them, especially if you're doing/saying shit on company time.
     
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    You don't have to be involved with that business. You have to be involved with government.
     
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    Billions and billions of dollars went into lobbying for the privilege.​
     
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  6. Edison Carasio Excellence of execution belt

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    Because that's not how the 1st amendment works bruh.
     
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    Most employees are "at will" and can basically be fired for anything as long as not discriminatory. Maybe the Sherdog lawyers can find some other exceptions that is generally true.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment

    As others already mentioned you're still free to say whatever the fuck you want and the government will not toss you in jail or fine you, but your employer is not required to keep you as an employee.
     
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    Might want to start by reading the first amendment if you're going to ask questions about it.

    "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW . . . ABRIDGING THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH."

    Your employer is not congress.

    We can start from there.

    As cubo noted, your employer can't fire you for religion because of Title VII of the Civil Rights Act. Not the First Amendment.
     
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    Actually we could end there.
     
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    People seem to think private businesses are owned by the government or something. Just because they serve the public doesnt mean they are owned by the public
     
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    It's really the culture that determines what will get a person fired or not.

    If people actually cherished free speech, and had respect for what it meant, then the threshold for firing people because of speech would be a lot higher. But since nobody actually gives a shit about free speech, and are all in favour of controlling other people's speech, the threshold for people to get fired is very low.

    If people didn't find it acceptable to fire someone because of their opinion, then it wouldn't be happening, because the firings are mostly done from a public relations stand-point. Firing a person over incorrect speech has become the norm because people have come to expect it, in the case of a "misunderstanding" or an "offense" of some sort. If a company doesn't fire a "speech offender" then that automatically becomes a scandal which negatively affects public perception, and business takes a hit. You can't honestly expect a business to suck it up and potentially go bankrupt from people boycotting their product, so they choose to just fire whoever causes a controversy of some sort. Which is a right that you cannot really deny them, in a capitalist, free market economy.

    The constitution, and whatever is written there, is just a piece of paper. It's up to the citizens to absorb those teachings, or not. The society will mold around that. The society is currently molding around an environment where people don't really appreciate free speech, therefore they won't get to have that.
     
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    I asked sherdog to simplify it for me
     
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    well I assumed they had to follow the rules in the country theyre established in
     
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    Its 45 words of which 10-13 are relevant.
     
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    cliffs?
     
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    thanks brah

    who's awesome?
    youre awesome
     
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    It sounds like you value the first amendment. You should read up on it so that you have a better understanding of it.
     
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    how does it sound like I value the 1st amendment from that post? it doesnt even concern me
     
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