Why aren't boxers adopting Conors jab out-guard? | Page 2

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  1. aerius Brown Belt

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    "Virtually identical, Joe"

    Conor keeps a higher guard on the rear hand but the lead arm positioning is the same.

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    You see body shots in mma throw like they can be thrown in boxing? Because I haven't.... or at least, I rarely do.

    Letting some guy hit you in your abs is not the same as a hook to the side.

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    Or maybe it's just a basic TMA stance... (karate/TKD/Sanda etc)
     
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  4. spacetime Brown Belt

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    Yup. Shotokan guys have their guards lower though. (which stinks).
     
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  5. spacetime Brown Belt

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    Floyd Mayweather does not have the fire power to down an MMA-fighter with body shots. If Conor could match him better with the boxing, the strategy would have been useless.
     
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    Congratulations, you've given your opponent an easy read to counter you. If you automatically punch back whenever he grabs your lead arm, you've given him a free entry to slip your punch and hammer you with a counter.
     
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  7. spacetime Brown Belt

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    He is bigger, longer, reachier. Might as well not think about that match-up as it relates to formal sparring. I would like to believe I could fuck him up no holds barred though if I'm pissed enough.
     
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    Some boxers do it in spots just not as a main stance.

    The reason?
    because any good boxer can get past it and if you do it the entire time pretty easily. The drawbacks are that someone can loop punches around your arms and then you are fucked.
    Also if someone bridges the distance and you don't get them back quickly enough you are fucked as well. Consequently one of the many ways to get past it is to simply parry the arms away, they will then be down and far out and there's a good chance you don't get them back in time before you get hit.

    On top of that it is really really tiring. If your arms are extended your oppoent has your range down and can simply stay out of it, maybe paw back but his arms will tire out less since they will be closer to his body.
    So in the beginning both fighters paw, neither lands much but the guy with his arms out will tire much quicker and gets fucked up in the later rounds. Which is kinda what happened to Conor
     
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  9. Towel88 White Belt

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    From what I've heard its mostly a southpaw technique, mcgregor, rigondaux, patrosyan all use it. Lead hand control, as kavanagh explained it as just a battle of odds, conor is trying to control that lead hand so he can focus more on watching for the big right.
    I use it as a southpaw, for distance, defense and to help me get angles and just frustrate people with a pawing hand jn there face.
     
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    I disagree here. If I smack the lead arm down or across, it's not going to be in a position to jab anyone as I close the distance to land that body shot. Moreso if I'm coming in on the angle. This is why @Sano kept going back to the importance of moving away and using distance.
     
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  11. spacetime Brown Belt

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    Yeah there's a guy who is very akward with the angles, but I don't see how that prevents me from using a cross.
     
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  12. spacetime Brown Belt

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    Yup.
     
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  13. spacetime Brown Belt

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    You mean guard...
     
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  14. panamaican Senior Moderator

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    You had said jab. As for the cross, if they're closing on angle to the outside of the lead arm, landing the cross is going to require you completely pivot almost 90 degrees to line up the cross. THey have to be very slow for you to get into any type of position to put power behind that movement.

    If they bat the lead arm across your body or close using their lead arm to almost jam your lead arm as they go to the body, it makes bringing the cross to bear even more difficult because they would be pushing your momentum in the opposite direction that you would need for the cross.

    It's certainly doable but I wouldn't rely on being able to bring the cross to bear on any consistent basis.
     
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    It has many drawbacks.
    1. You can stick it out, but using it as a pole to keep your opponent away from you is illegal. You cannot place your hand on an opponent and keep it there to maintaim distance.
    2. Open to body shots on the side that has the arm in use.
    3. Limiting yourself to one powerful hand. You won't be able to throw any decent shots with a hand so far out.
    4. As rounds progress, keeping your arm elevated will start to burn your shoulder out.
    5. The chances are you won't be able to draw your hand back in time to block a punch. You'd have to rely on using a type of shoulder roll to slip punches.

    Also, it's nothing new. It happens very often when you get a southpaw and an orthodox fighting. They use the lead hand to manipulate the opponets guard in order to land the back hand straight down the pipe.
     
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    Thanks
     
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  18. spacetime Brown Belt

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    Are you really allowed to smack a hand down in the rules? That's not really a boxing technique.
     
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  19. spacetime Brown Belt

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    So you really advice me despite having superior reach, to tuck my hands in?
     
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    You're not just standing there. You use your punches to reach them where they can't reach you. You still have to move, jab, keep on them on the outside whether you use a long guard or not.

    Btw, no one is saying you can't use the long guard, especially if you are in an open guard matchup. We're just saying that it's not an infallible stance that ensures victory. The better you know the weaknesses of the stance you are using at that moment, the more success you will have with it.
     
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