*Why are there so many guillotine attempts but so few D'Arce and Anaconda attempts?*

I think this is a little like asking why people go for the RNC and not an armtriangle from back
 
Surely any thought on the matter brings you to position.do you even ufc bro?
 
If you ever take a class, you will instantly feel how natural the guillotine is to go to as a movement once you've been shown it, where the other ones often will require angle and contortion to secure, that is unnatural and needs more drilling
 
I still dont understand the difference between a Darce and an anaconda

They're the same choke, but done completely backwards from each other. In the anaconda, the attacker inserts the choking arm at his oppnent's neck and locks his arms up under the opponent's armpit; in the darce, the attacker inserts his choking arm under the opponent's armpit and he locks up his hands by the opponent's neck.
 
They're the same choke, but done completely backwards from each other. In the anaconda, the attacker inserts the choking arm at his oppnent's neck and locks his arms up under the opponent's armpit; in the darce, the attacker inserts his choking arm under the opponent's armpit and he locks up his hands by the opponent's neck.
Well stated.
 
The name D'Arce actionally does not come from Joe D'Arce, Joe D'Arce learned it from Drake. Mayhem mistakingly gave the choke the name D'Arce because he was under the impression that Joe D'Arce came up with it because when Mayhem asked D'Arce where he learned it, he just ate a donut and his mouth was full, Mayhem interpreted "Drake" as "D'Arce"

True story.

John Danaher mentioned in an interview that he came up with the choke and showed it to Joe D'Arce. The name D'Arce Choke stuck because Joe then used it effectively in competitions.
 
I mean, the guillotine must be the 2nd most common choke on MMA since UFC 1, only after the RNC.

On the other hand, the D'Arce and the Anaconda are very rare. Why's that? Cause the D'Arce seems more effective, more dificult to escape, and seem to require less effort to get the choke.
Bjj in mma is dying.
 
I still dont understand the difference between a Darce and an anaconda
From a visual perspective, the D'Arce and Anaconda look very similar. They're both head and arm chokes in which your chest is positioned behind your opponent's head. The visual difference is that in an anaconda choke, your arms will be clasped on the side of the trapped arm. The D'arce choke involves your arms clasped on the side without the arm.

Visually, while the chokes look very similar, they are completely different techniques, with completely different situational applications.

The Anaconda is almost exclusively used from the 4 points position. Rodrigo Nogueira popularized entering the anaconda position, then rolling towards the side of the trapped arm. Other examples of this occurring include Brendan Schaub vs Demico Rogers, Phil Davis vs Prado/Gustafsson. We have also seen other variations on the anaconda, including finishing it by jumping guard (ie: Charles Oliveira vs Hatsu Hioki, and Dustin Hazelett vs Steven Lynch.)

Very recently however, we have seen a completely new use of the anaconda choke -- off of a defended arm in guillotine. See Chas Skelly vs Maximo Blanco, and Gerald Meerschaert vs Joe Gigliotti.

Generally, the anaconda is considered a fairly weak option from the 4 points position. Most high level players prefer guillotine variations.


The D'Arce choke is completely different. The D'Arce can be completed from the 4 points position with a variety of ways of finishing: See for instance Jorge Masvidal vs Michael Chiesa (finish off a japanese necktie), Chan Sung Jung vs Dustin Porier and of course Tony Ferguson vs Vannata/Rio/Barboza (finish by tilting your opponent), and Dustin Poirier vs Jonathan Brookins (finish via baseball slide -- Nogueira also attempted the baseball slide finish against Randy Couture)

More commonly, however the D'Arce choke is attempted from the top of half guard when your opponent has an underhook. The number of fights where this has been attempted near countless: Dustin Poirier vs Pablo Garza, Paulo Thiago vs Mike Swick, Kendall Grove vs Alan Belcher are popular examples where the position has been finished, but the number of times we see it attempted and not finished is way more numerous. See Volkmann vs Castillo, Lewis Gonzalez vs Antonio Mckee, Martin Kampmann vs Jake Shields, and countless others.

Finally, there are so many more applications for the d'arce choke. Unlike the anaconda, the d'arce is a viable submission to hit off your back when your opponent attempts to pass to side control. Joe Stevenson nearly hit George Sotiropoulos with this, and Mitch Clarke finished Al Iaquinta with it.

TLDR: The d'arce is a far more important submission in BJJ/MMA than the anaconda choke.
 
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Fixed.
 
Guillotines are everywhere, especially in MMA, and there's many varieties. D'arce and anaconda both require a more specific set of conditions to attempt, and are more technically difficult to apply properly.
Agreed. Additionally, if your attempt isn't a good one you risk losing position.
 
The choke was actually invented by Milton Vieira (Carlson Gracie/BTT/Rio Fighters) who taught it to Big Nog, although he doesn't like to take credit for it even though most people say it was him. I've trained a bunch with Milton in Brazil and remember it always being called an anaconda. All variations were called an "anaconda" choke. Calling it a D'arce seems to be a good way to differentiate though.
 
a guillotine is basically a headlock. easiest sub in the world.
 
Why aren't there more Peruvian neck ties and twisters?
 
Getting the arm across for an anaconda or your own body at an angle to sink the darce make them more difficult to get than a simple guollotine. You are exactly right about them being much more difficult to get however.
 
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