Why are some Christians so hateful to the idea of socialism,? But love Laissez faire capitalism?

[SouthoftheAndes]

https://videosift.com/blog/jwray/20-reasons-jesus-was-a-communist-pacifist-tax-and-spend-liberal


I think Christian Univerialism and Christian communism are in fact noble and closer to original Christianity than many of today's forms.


I am curious as to why some American right wing Christians are often 'racist' and often very 'fuck government' and fuck anything that can help anyone. To me these people are brainwashed and being misled by greedy capitalists and oligarchs.


Thoughts? I am mostly interested in what secular, agnostics and atheist and (irreligious) people who study religion attribute it to. Because Christians who do irrationally hate socialism will only give me a spin story about how 'evil' communism and socialism are. And then typically it is something like this


"Something something something communism is evil!! marxism!!! Soviet Union!!! millions dead!!! gun control!!!! Mao zedong!!!! somethjing something something Reagan is a God!!1 Calvin Coolidge was a GOD!!! The Rockefellers and are just free market capitalists, and are good!!!The Koch brothers are fighting for justice!! something something something!!"

https://videosift.com/blog/jwray/20-reasons-jesus-was-a-communist-pacifist-tax-and-spend-liberal

 

[mrbaapt]

Most people do not understand that actual Communism has never been implemented. The few permutations we've seen are dictatorships with a Communistic mask on. USSR, China, Cuba, etc...

 

[Falsedawn]

Because almost none of them have read the Bible, and if they have, it's too hard to follow all the rules.

That's why they'll quote Matthew ad nauseum about why homosexuality is wrong, but forget the verse right before it that says no divorces.

 

[dontsnitch]

What does Universalism, which deals with salvation, have to do with communism?

You need to give some working definitions of some of these terms to avoid people talking past each other.

 

[ripskater]

We believe in freedom and in being generous to others on your own.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

Most people do not understand that actual Communism has never been implemented. The few permutations we've seen are dictatorships with a Communistic mask on. USSR, China, Cuba, etc...

Jesus was closer to a socialist than a Capitalist. Nobody can argue that he wasen't.




1. He threw the moneychangers out of the temple and called them theives. They were just ordinary businessmen in a laissez-faire economy.

2. He said, "It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven."

3. He encouraged people to give everything they could, and promised that god would support everyone in need. Just like socialism.

[edit]Matthew 19:21
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."[/edit]

4. "turn the other cheek"

5. "love thy enemy"

6. "blessed are the peacemakers"

7. "blessed are the meek"

8. "woe unto ye who are rich"

9. "forgive our debts, as we forgive our debtors" -- clearly he would favor bailing out poor people with subprime mortgages.

10. "Give us this day our daily bread" -- what a sense of entitlement to demand handouts!!!

11. "Every mountain shall be made low, every valley shall be exalted" --although this is actually from Isaiah's prophecy about the messiah, it looks like a metaphor for proletarian revolution

12. Some early christians (before 200BC) actually established agricultural communes.

13. Jesus is soft on crime: anybody who believes in his scapegoat-like sacrifice will be forgiven.

14. Jesus loves the poor, the prostitutes, the lepers, etc. And he gave them free healthcare! That's not what Ronald Reagan or John McCain would do.

15. Jesus said nothing about or against homosexuality.

16. "and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy father which is in secret" -- clearly Jesus opposes school prayer.

17. Jesus performed the "miracle of the loaves and fish" -- divine government handouts for the poor.

18. "ask and it shall be given to you. Seek and ye shall find. Knock and the door shall be opened" -- giving the poor a sense of entitlement

19. "Blessed are the merciful"

20. "And if any man will sue thee, and take away thy cloak, let him have thy coat also. And whosoever shall compell thee to go a mile, go with him twain. Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away" -- He clearly favors caving in to terrorist demands, and giving the poor everything they want. Pacifist hippie communist!!!

 

[OverCoronavirus Pressure]

Because socialism is equivalent to atheism in some minds

 

[TheGreatA]

Christianity cannot co-exist with secular socialism, because under socialism, the state adopts the role of benefactor. Right-wing Christians believe that the burden of responsibility, when it comes to matters of charity, should lie in the hands of individuals rather than the state.

Under pro-longed socialism, individual good-will is eventually superseded by collective apathy, as each citizen has become accustomed to the state and its institutions filling in for acts of charity. Under such conditions, Christianity can no longer operate as a spiritual foundation, since the impulse to "do good" is eventually extinguished due to the over-bearing role of a maternal welfare state, which assumes ownership over "acts of kindness" and relieves the citizens from personal responsibility, outside of fulfilling their limited productive functions.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

We believe in freedom and in being generous to others on your own.

But not all Christians think like you. Many are open to 'socialism' and its ideal as were many Christians who existed before you were even before. What type of Christian are you? What type of Church do you attend?

Christians who are socialists are not wrong or any worse than Christians who are capitalists. In fact i'd argue that socialists Christians are acting more 'righteous'. Because they actually care enough to want government to work for the people and by the people. Not let the 'free market' do everything.

 

[heloder]

There is no complicated answer here. They are gullible people without critical thinking skills (hence the religious bent). Everybody knows commie socialist pinko liberals are anti-American and that god-fearing christian republican conservatives are American.

They were spoon fed that bullshit from the cradle and that's all they ever need—or want—to know. They've never actually studied history so they don't know what an unmitigated disaster laissez faire capitalism has been in the past in this country.

 

[dontsnitch]

1. He threw the moneychangers out of the temple and called them theives. They were just ordinary businessmen in a laissez-faire economy.

You're off to a bad start. He didn't overturn the money changers because he was against their business model.

 

[SouthoftheAndes]

Christianity cannot co-exist with secular socialism, because under socialism, the state adopts the role of benefactor. Right-wing Christians believe that the burden of responsibility, when it comes to matters of charity, should lie in the hands of individuals rather than the state.

Under pro-longed socialism, individual good-will is eventually superseded by collective apathy, as each citizen has become accustomed to the state and its institutions filling in for acts of charity. Under such conditions, Christianity can no longer operate as a spiritual foundation.

That is a right wing view though. You just spun everything to make it seem like socialistic ideals cannot operate with Christianity.

Why don't you say the same-thing about Christians who love capitalism and all its faults and ills?

You're off to a bad start. He didn't overturn the money changers because he was against their business model.

That is according to your definition and interpretation. I think it is becoming clear to me that you are the 'right wing' Christian I was talking about. And to be honest I am not really interested in hearing your view because it will just be spun to your liking to justify your love of capitalism.

There is no complicated answer here. They are gullible people without critical thinking skills (hence the religious bent). Everybody knows commie socialist pinko liberals are anti-American and that god-fearing christian republican conservatives are American.

They were spoon fed that bullshit from the cradle and that's all they ever need—or want—to know. They've never actually studied history so they don't know what an unmitigated disaster laissez faire capitalism has been in the past in this country.

That is what I think it honestly is.

I love the right wing Christian Americans for their patriotism and much more about them. Most are good people. I just wish that most of them would actually study history and realize that socialism is more similar to their religion and what God's final plan is then they might realize.

Socialism/Communism doesn't have to mean state ran socialism under an authoritarian atheistic state like the Soviet Union or China.

 

[lecter]

Most people do not understand that actual Communism has never been implemented. The few permutations we've seen are dictatorships with a Communistic mask on. USSR, China, Cuba, etc...

yeah it's sad that most people don't understand it

 

[hillelslovak87]

It's easy to not be a follower of Christ. All you have to do is be raised a christian, listen to pastors who parse the Bible up, and provide a narrative. Couple this with study groups, and a hierarchy that colors your views further. Once you simply read the book, on your own, through, you'll see a consistent message from Jesus.

Dont judge anyone, sell all your shit, follow the old testament law, and do good deeds. It's pretty clear.

 

[Burning Hammer]

Most people do not understand that actual Communism has never been implemented. The few permutations we've seen are dictatorships with a Communistic mask on. USSR, China, Cuba, etc...

LOL they didn't understand communism despite it literally going exactly how those dictator ships wanted. Socialism is leading to Communism which leads to a Dictator ship because the vacuum of power is never going to change.

 

[dontsnitch]

That is according to your definition and interpretation. I think it is becoming clear to me that you are the 'right wing' Christian I was talking about. And to be honest I am not really interested in hearing your view because it will just be spun to your liking to justify your love of capitalism.

You made it clear you are not interested in the truth with this post.

For starters, only someone with an agenda would interpret Jesus overturning the money changers to be anything political. Secondly, you made it obvious you have no idea what I believe, and the fact that you associate my correcting you as being Right winged is very telling.

 

[lecter]

Everything you're talking about has to do with character and attitude, not with a polity.
Like many people, you're describing socialism as caring about each other, taking care of the poor, not being selfish, something something the rich etc
That's not what socialism is though.
It's a practice based on an economic and political theory, rather than a philosophy or mindset.
Socialism isn't about caring each other, it's about making the individual care about others in a specific way, by force.
Laissez-faire capitalism doesn't prevent you as a Christian from donating whatever you want to the poor. Socialism does prevent you from living your life the way you want.

 

[Renard]

Jordan Peterson's research showed that there was a correlation between religiousness and conservatism. Conservatives are low in trait openness, they defend established tradition - whichever tradition that happens to be. Conservatives are also higher in trait conscientiousness, the idea of pull yourself by the bootstraps aspect of capitalism is naturally attractive to them.

The character of Jesus himself was definitely more spiritual than dogmatic. Hippies are more similar to Jesus than conservatives are.

 

[EvilRyu]

Because almost none of them have read the Bible, and if they have, it's too hard to follow all the rules.

That's why they'll quote Matthew ad nauseum about why homosexuality is wrong, but forget the verse right before it that says no divorces.

at least christian majority nations don't kill them unlike muslim majority ones

 

[Falsedawn]

at least christian majority nations don't kill them unlike muslim majority ones

Not sure what that had to do with anything I said, but okay, you're triggered and I now know it.

What's next?