Why are NRA people so angry all the time?

[Grenz]

What % of people never fired at the enemy in their service during ww2?

Just google it. Nvm, you won't, so here it is:

In a squad of 10 men, on average fewer than three ever fired their weapons in combat. Day in, day out — it did not matter how long they had been soldiers, how many months of combat they had seen, or even that the enemy was about to overrun their position. This was what the highly regarded Brigadier General Samuel Lyman Atwood Marshall, better known as S.L.A. Marshall, or ‘Slam,’ concluded in a series of military journal articles and in his book, Men Against Fire, about America’s World War II soldiers. Marshall had been assigned as a military analyst for the U.S. Army in both the Pacific and Europe. The American, he concluded, comes ‘from a civilization in which aggression, connected with the taking of life, is prohibited and unacceptable….The fear of aggression has been expressed to him so strongly and absorbed by him so deeply and pervadingly — practically with his mother’s milk — that it is part of the normal man’s emotional make-up. This is his great handicap when he enters combat. It stays his trigger finger even though he is hardly conscious that it is a restraint upon him.’

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Irrelevant. My argument was that it's extremely easy to smuggle guns from, one state to another. Can you make a case against that?

Completely relevant, I'm afraid.

It demonstrates that despite any law put forward, some in these cities have a demand for crime guns. Why?

Of course things are easy to "smuggle" across state lines. That's one of the consequences of an interstate highway system. Colorado Marijuana is now everywhere. The Colorado Marijuana only leaves its home state if there is demand for it elsewhere.

No, the response was to shoot the active shooter. Handled by parliament security. Of course Harper was shuffled off to safety - obviously the most reasonable response in this scenario.

This disproves the notion that mass shootings are a "uniquely American problem". The "Eagles of Death Metal" concert goers in Paris France would also disagree with that notion.

Putting more guns into your schools will not make them safer, just like putting more guns in homes doesn't make them safer, it just makes gun violence more likely.

We need better security in our schools, and I'll be voting accordingly.

There is no counter to this argument:

Nothing is going to stop a determined shooter other than another armed individual.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Just google it. Nvm, you won't, so here it is:

Let' say I took that as 100% truth. How many students are in the classroom? Stats would say 30% would be willing to defend themselves. Now I'm not saying that would be an ideal situation (fucking DUH lol) but the chance to hunker and defend remains.

This isn't war with machine guns everywhere. We're talking an entrenched position against likely a lone shooter

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

How so? I'm honestly curious.

The estate tax stands to cut the American farmer in half.

President Trump is the first President in generations to actually try to remedy this issue. He didn't get everything, but at least he tried.

 

[Prefect]

Why is this "this is what was meant when the second amendment was written" even taken seriously? I don't really care what the founding fathers thought 200 years ago. I live in today, here and now. Frankly, I don't think Thomas Jefferson and the other founding fathers were clairvoyant or super geniuses. Even they didn't think so and that is why mechanisms were put into the process to allow for the constitution to be amended.

Aside from the bible, what the hell else does anyone cling to that was written 200 years ago and believe it should never be changed?

 

[Prime Rib]

The estate tax stands to cut the American farmer in half.

President Trump is the first President in generations to actually try to remedy this issue. He didn't get everything, but at least he tried.

Complicated issue. Tell me how it works out for you compared to last tax season.

 

[spamking]

Uh.... Your elected officials?

I didn't take you to be that naive . . .

 

[ultramanhyata]

I didn't take you to be that naive . . .

Maybe elected officials would advocate for voters and not lobbyists (like the NRA's) if we didn't allow special interests to play puppet-master.

But I understand why people in a vast minority - those who oppose all meaningful firearm regulation - would want lobbyists in DC actively subverting democratic outcomes.

 

[spamking]

Maybe elected officials would advocate for voters and not lobbyists (like the NRA's) if we didn't allow special interests to play puppet-master.

That's possibly true . . . doesn't mean the general public wouldn't be able to apply pressure to their local folks to advocate for their interests.

But I understand why people in a vast minority - those who oppose all meaningful firearm regulation - would want lobbyists in DC actively subverting democratic outcomes.

The problem really is that folks have their own and different definitions of "meaningful firearm regulation".

 

[GearSolidMetal]

A video that concentrates on muskets while ignoring the tenor of the point that the 2nd amendment was written in a totally different time during an error of successions and ACTUAL tyranny is not helpful.

Karl Marx's writings were written in a different time as well, yet they're timeless according to the left.

So, how old does something gotta be before we say 'Fuck it. Throw it out?'

And I guess that includes the entire US Constitution as well, since it's been around since the 1790s.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Good point. Let's allow 18 year old kids with nut job histories to buy AR15s, the good guys with guns will take action...

Gun stores can't know if someone is a nutjob unless anything comes up on a soon-to-be customer's background check.

And nothing came up on his background check because police never charged him with a crime, although its been clear Nicholas Cruz committed crimes.

I trust you're informed enough of recent events to know the details, or do you?

Obviously, he should never had a firearm, and that's a failure of law enforcement, not current gun laws.

You guys on the extreme guns side are either to dense to understand what's going on, or more realistically, too scared to see the blinding truth that our country is uniquely afflicted by mass gun violence in the civilized west because it's far too easy to get guns only designed to kill lots of things fast.

And you gun grabbers fail to realise that increasing gun control fails to decrease gun crime.

Chicago.... Baltimore... Washington DC...France... Brazil...

And damn near every mass shooting takes place in a gun-free zone. So your solution is to turn America into a gun-free zone.

Fucking brilliant solution right there. Many college degrees behind the group brainstorm for whoever came up with that one.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Bans in those states are ineffective since there are no patrolled borders between states, so smuggling guns into states with tight gun laws is very easy and profitable.

Oh, by that theory, we also need a wall along the southern border to prevent the cartel from smuggling in guns.

Yeah, good luck with that one.

And what about countries like Canada, Australia, Norway, Iceland, etc. with strict gunlaws? Are they also 3rd world shitholes because of gun laws? No of course not, some of those countries have higher standards of living than in the US. Your logic is flawed

Your information is flawed.

You can buy guns in Canada, Australia's gun buyback only resulted in a third of the guns being turned in and the crime & murder rate was raised for multiple years in the cities - because the law-abiding citizens in cities were the suckers that turned in their guns and became victims of the criminals with guns.

Wow. A gun law was passed, and criminals ignored it. No one could have predicted that one.

- in a high stress situation like a mass shooting, 99% of people wouldn't be able to respond properly, due to extreme stress, anxiety and fear. I don't know where the idea comes from that ordinary citizens can transform into super cops just because they go to the gun range twice a week, but it's obviously preposterous.

I was talking about the coward cops.

Oh sure, we shouldn't expect police to go after armed perps after they start shooting.

- even if you got someone who can rise to the challenge: so now he's running around with a gun during an active shooting. What does he look like? Yep, the active shooter, and if a cop saw him he'd get shot on sight before he could even begin to explain that he's trying to play the vigilante hero. Then there's the fact that he'd throw most of the people he's trying to protect into even more panic, since at least some of them would also assume he's an active shooter (since he's a civilian dressed in plain clothes with a gun during a shooting)

The cops know the difference between pistol and rifle fire.

If its rifle fire, shoot the bastard with the rifle.

Yes, its that complicated.

- Bonus: what if there are two guys trying to play her0 who don't know eachother? Good chance they'll assume they're seeing the active shooter, not a fellow vigilante. Now they're shooting at each other.

Since the 'heroes' would be cops, I'm sure they're trained not to shoot anyone wearing a cop uniform, and probably shoot whoever is shooting a firearm at students.

 

[FyrFytr998]

Like I said these are messages sent to a business e-mail and they have all been angry

No different than the anger that a business might receive should they practice things that the left find not to their liking.

So many people on the fence



Take a side you fucks

Folks are on the fence, because the NRA has made some skeptical choices recently that is being taken as a sign of weakness. Like caving to a Bump Stock Ban.

Bump Stocks are going to be the poster boy for “rate of fire” increasing devices. The truth of the matter is that these stocks are just a prop for fools with money to burn. You don’t even need one to make a semi shoot rapidly.....

So what next? Ban our fingers as a rate increasing device? What it is, is a smoke and mirrors attempt for regulating semiautomatics as “assault weapons”, since the Supreme Court has already ruled once that entire weapon classes can not be banned outright.


Folks really think taking away semis will stop dedicated individuals?
Lever action?


Pump Action?


Revolver?

 

[lifelessheap]

They should be trying to solve any firearms related issue. Broadly speaking there are three main categories: fire arm accidents and safety concerns, illegal firearms used in a crime, and legal firearms used in a crime. One kid was run over by a driver who couldn't see them while they were backing-up and now cars are required to have back-up cameras as a standard feature. Surely the NRA could at least try to come up to a solution regarding accidental shootings.



See. This is the issue. If you don't like someone else's suggestion, then bring your own to the table and understand you might have to compromise a little bit to get it passed. If the pro-gun people aren't willing to sit at the table and compromise, then they're leaving the solution completely in the hands of the anti-gun crowd.

So you want back up cameras on guns?

 

[lifelessheap]

If anyone was trying to take anything away from anyone this paranoia might make some sense.

I live in California. Every year people like you pass laws that make life difficult for gun owners. It just gets worse and worse, and then it gets even worse.

It is a drip, drip, drip of erosion of my rights. Yes, they are trying to take things away piece by piece.

 

[lifelessheap]

If we're gonna get into a straight 2nd amendment argument this will go nowhere. That amendment is about muskets and militias. It's a living document and thinking it refers to ARs is ridiculous.

There were far more advanced weapons when the Bill of Rights was written. And the people who wrote it knew technology advanced.

The 'its about muskets' argument is so fucking retarded.

 

[andnowweknow]

I live in California. Every year people like you pass laws that make life difficult for gun owners. It just gets worse and worse, and then it gets even worse.

It is a drip, drip, drip of erosion of my rights. Yes, they are trying to take things away piece by piece.

what has been taken away from you that has been such a degradation to your life? Sounds like something in particular hit you hard. Specifics...

 

[livingdeadmoose]

NRA people are not always angry. They have become more angry in recent events because the organization they support and are a part of is under attack for crimes it had nothing to do with.

 

[lifelessheap]

what has been taken away from you that has been such a degradation to your life? Sounds like something in particular hit you hard. Specifics...

Are you really that ignorant of California gun laws?

 

[Byron Carter]

You can't un-invent the gun.

They're here to stay.

It's a matter of "Who do you trust with guns?"

I personally do not trust the federal government, or liberals of any sort with the responsibility of protecting me and my family. The cowards of Broward proved once and for all that the Police will not protect you.

I'd rather every individual who wants to exercise their right to bear arms, be allowed to do so - and harden our society against the occasional crazy person, than surrender my family's destiny to the likes of Hillary Clinton, Diane Feinstein, Barack Obama, and their Antifa/Muslim/Socialist allies.



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