Why are NRA people so angry all the time?

[Grenz]

It's called self preservation. A security guard has to go from safety into danger to stop these situations. An armed teacher would hunker down in their classroom and protect themselves/ students with them.

Yea, an English lit major who lost his virginity at 22 and spends his Friday nights sipping slightly caffeinated tea reading Fifty shades of Grey is going to protect the students. Sounds legit.

That's not even considering the multitudes of dangers that arise by having a loaded gun in the class room at all times, surrounded by hormonal teenagers, some of which have mental problems. What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Prefect]

Due to cost effectiveness, not some fear of its own citizenry going apeshit

No. They didn't work worth shit when the 2nd amendment was written. Wars were fought with people lining up in lines and shooting at each other. If they worked they would have been used. Why bother with a stupid complicated gun that hardly works when you can load up a cannon with grapeshot and it fires everytime all the time?

 

[AFCrookie]

Because their minds are poisoned from Fox News, NRA TV, and Dana Loesch.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Yea, an English lit major who lost his virginity at 22 and spends his Friday nights sipping slightly caffeinated tea reading Fifty shades of Grey is going to protect the students. Sounds legit.

As opposed to cowering under his desk with no way to defend himself? Self preservation is a VERY strong tool.

People are acting like teachers aren't trained to go hunting bad guys. Well duh, i agree. They should lock/barricade their room, and hide in the corner with a gun trained at the door. It doesn't take training to cower in the corner ready to defend yourself like a wounded animal

That's not even considering the multitudes of dangers that arise by having a loaded gun in the class room at all times, surrounded by hormonal teenagers, some of which have mental problems. What could possibly go wrong?

Gun safe unlocked with fingerprint scanner under/ part of the teachers desk. You're really grasping at straws if you think this provides a legit danger to kids.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

Fuck I can't edit with these bullshit dubs. Do your best to figure it out

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Bans in those states are ineffective since there are no patrolled borders between states, so smuggling guns into states with tight gun laws is very easy and profitable.

Thought experiment:

Why is it that the overwhelming majority of those smuggled guns aren't involved in any violent crime until they arrive in cities and states with strict gun control?

And what about countries like Canada, Australia, Norway, Iceland, etc. with strict gunlaws? Are they also 3rd world shitholes because of gun laws? No of course not, some of those countries have higher standards of living than in the US. Your logic is flawed.

Former Canadian Prime Minster Harper was nearly the victim of a mass shooting. The security measue his government took? Have Harper hide in a closet until the shooter was subdued.

- in a high stress situation like a mass shooting, 99% of people wouldn't be able to respond properly, due to extreme stress, anxiety and fear. I don't know where the idea comes from that ordinary citizens can transform into super cops just because they go to the gun range twice a week, but it's obviously preposterous.

- even if you got someone who can rise to the challenge: so now he's running around with a gun during an active shooting. What does he look like? Yep, the active shooter, and if a cop saw him he'd get shot on sight before he could even begin to explain that he's trying to play the vigilante hero. Then there's the fact that he'd throw most of the people he's trying to protect into even more panic, since at least some of them would also assume he's an active shooter (since he's a civilian dressed in plain clothes with a gun during a shooting)

- Bonus: what if there are two guys trying to play her0 who don't know eachother? Good chance they'll assume they're seeing the active shooter, not a fellow vigilante. Now they're shooting at each other.

These same "blood in the streets" scenarios were erroneously put forward by the over-anxious when our nation's Concealed carry laws first came into effect.

We need to secure our schools. If your only objection is "people aren't perfect", that won't sway enough people to reject school security.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

No. They didn't work worth shit when the 2nd amendment was written.

Source?

you can load up a cannon with grapeshot and it fires everytime all the time?

Do you realize how this post shoots your argument in the foot. Us citizens could own cannons etc. Under the 2nd

 

[Cold Front]

Talk about leading questions.

Say, threadstarter, why do you like to molest children so much?

 

[Grenz]

whatever you wrote since you failed to format coprrectly

You're placing way too much hope in 'self-preservation'. Most guys couldn't even shoot at the enemy in WW2 and that was literally when being shot at by the enemy. Normal humans don't transform into heros when they're placed under severe stress. This isn't a hypothesis, it's proven fact.

 

[Prime Rib]

If all your side has are insults, don't be surprised when your political desires aren't achieved.

Yeah, and Trump is passing legislation left and right. Tweets don't count snowflake.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

You're placing way too much hope in 'self-preservation'. Most guys couldn't even shoot at the enemy in WW2 and that was literally when being shot at by the enemy. Normal humans don't transform into heros when they're placed under severe stress. This isn't a hypothesis, it's proven fact.

So you're worried about a teacher being incapable of hiding in a corner with a gun?

What danger could they pose if they couldn't even defend themselves. You act like the majority of people would shoot a student before they defend themselves.

Do you also realize a majority of soldiers did not cower? In fact the majority did exactly what they were supposed to do.

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Source?



Do you realize how this post shoots your argument in the foot. Us citizens could own cannons etc. Under the 2nd

U.S. citizen can still own a cannon to this very day.

My Great Grandfatherr owned an old civil war cannon. He used it to feed his family during the great depression. He would load it up with bolts, screws, anything metal. He would point the cannon over a small pond he owned (still in our family), and fire if enough waterfowl had landed on the pond. He would take what could be eaten home. Any surplus waterfowl, he would ride his horse to the train station and sell them there. That was how my ancestors survived the depression.

 

[Grenz]

Thought experiment:

Why is it that the overwhelming majority of those smuggled guns aren't involved in any violent crime until they arrive in cities and states with strict gun control?

Irrelevant. My argument was that it's extremely easy to smuggle guns from, one state to another. Can you make a case against that?

Former Canadian Prime Minster Harper was nearly the victim of a mass shooting. The security measue his government took? Have Harper hide in a closet until the shooter was subdued.

No, the response was to shoot the active shooter. Handled by parliament security. Of course Harper was shuffled off to safety - obviously the most reasonable response in this scenario.

These same "blood in the streets" scenarios were erroneously put forward by the over-anxious when our nation's Concealed carry laws first came into effect.

We need to secure our schools. If your only objection is "people aren't perfect", that won't sway enough people to reject school security.

Putting more guns into your schools will not make them safer, just like putting more guns in homes doesn't make them safer, it just makes gun violence more likely.

 

[Grenz]

So you're worried about a teacher being incapable of hiding in a corner with a gun?

What danger could they pose if they couldn't even defend themselves. You act like the majority of people would shoot a student before they defend themselves.

Do you also realize a majority of soldiers did not cower? In fact the majority did exactly what they were supposed to do.

No they didn't. They did not shoot at the enemy which is what they were supposed to do. Why do we need to argue over a proven fact?

 

[Farmer Br0wn]

Yeah, and Trump is passing legislation left and right. Tweets don't count snowflake.

His Tax cut has been a boon for the American farmer.

I am absolutely satisfied with the job he has done so far.

 

[Fluffernutter]

All single issue folks are angry people.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

U.S. citizen can still own a cannon to this very day.

My Great Grandfatherr owned an old civil war cannon. He used it to feed his family during the great depression. He would load it up with bolts, screws, anything metal. He would point the cannon over a small pond he owned (still in our family), and fire if enough waterfowl had landed on the pond. He would take what could be eaten home. Any surplus waterfowl, he would ride his horse to the train station and sell them there. That was how my ancestors survived the depression.

Fuck yeah dude, that's badass!

 

[Prime Rib]

His Tax cut has been a boon for the American farmer.

I am absolutely satisfied with the job he has done so far.

How so? I'm honestly curious.

 

[oleDirtyBast4rd]

No they didn't. They did not shoot at the enemy which is what they were supposed to do. Why do we need to argue over a proven fact?

What % of people never fired at the enemy in their service during ww2?

 

[Prime Rib]

Fuck I can't edit with these bullshit dubs. Do your best to figure it out

That's an absolute travesty. How did you get your second yellow? I bet it was moustache.