Who wins? Cormier on steroids? Or Jones on steroids?

[AleYeah]

Bones lives rent free in DC's mind. He never beats Jones at this point.

 

[wigglestick]

Cormier is a near 40 old man, with an odd T/E ratio, who has amazing strength and cardio, who manages to be fairly competitive against a guy you all think is roided to the gills, who is a decade younger than him.

Wake up.

So why didn't Cormier test positive instead of jones twice??

 

[markg171]

Corms wrestling is a+ but jones is a

Jon outwrestled DC lol

 

[Oiler]

Jon outwrestled DC lol

Yeah on roids lol

 

[markg171]

So why didn't Cormier test positive instead of jones twice??

Not testing positive, doesn't mean you weren't on something. Certain tests only detect certain things, and very rarely will an athlete actually have to pass a full spectrum test. Hence why Jon's blood tests didn't test positive, but his urine did. If he'd only had the blood test done he'd have passed.

Additionally, but USADA often uses targetted tests specifically for the athlete in question, based on past tests. They build their tests around what they suspect is going on. DC might get a test only designed to find HGH and pass it because he's not using HGH, but is using something else.

And this is all without getting into the cyclical nature of using which means a fighter might not be on their cycle when they're tested, but does in fact use.

Passing a test means nothing.

 

[MusterX]

People used to commonly accuse Chuck of having HGH gut, he wasn’t a 300 pounder.

Royce tested positive and he’s a skinny guy.

Yea, you can't tell by looking, sometimes you can, but sometimes you can't. Look at Yoel. Dude is 40 years old and looks like a comic book hero. That dude is like wrapped steel and we all know he is roided to the gills or at least we should know it.

 

[giusti825]

cant disagree with either of you here. solid points.

the fact remains though that Cormier has never popped under the most strict drug testing organization - USADA. And Jones has, twice.

Because there is no magic test that can tell whether someone is natty or not.

Drug testing wont be successful as long as sports organations are the ones fitting the bill.

Its completely counter-intuitive.

 

[wigglestick]

Not testing positive, doesn't mean you weren't on something. Certain tests only detect certain things, and very rarely will an athlete actually have to pass a full spectrum test. Hence why Jon's blood tests didn't test positive, but his urine did. If he'd only had the blood test done he'd have passed.

Additionally, but USADA often uses targetted tests specifically for the athlete in question, based on past tests. They build their tests around what they suspect is going on. DC might get a test only designed to find HGH and pass it because he's not using HGH, but is using something else.

And this is all without getting into the cyclical nature of using which means a fighter might not be on their cycle when they're tested, but does in fact use.

Passing a test means nothing.

So passing a test means nothing? ohhh ok

 

[Migdagen]

Second fight was very close. Jones got "lucky" by pulling a kick with wich he never catched anyone before. DC was on his way to a win until then IMO. If we assume DC was clean and not Jones for their second fights, than I would have to go with DC for either a full clean one or if both guys are on juice.

 

[Migdagen]

Jones is the superior fighter, period.

More versatile, but better? They both dominate their opponents and both had issues with Gusfason. I say they are about equal.

 

[MusterX]

So passing a test means nothing? ohhh ok

I'm pretty sure Lance Armstrong passed hundreds of them. There are guys that have been on PED's their entire career and never popped.

 

[MusterX]

More versatile, but better? They both dominate their opponents and both had issues with Gusfason. I say they are about equal.

Maybe, but DC is 19-1 and that 1 is to Jon Jones.

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

thats not what i was getting at, at all.

im saying if DC took the sauce he would KO Jones stiff like bigfoot.

shit, even if DC was clean and Jones was clean too, he'd KO Jones stiff.

The shots Jones ate in the rematch were inhuman. Didn't even wobble from DC the heavyweight landing clean on his chin over and over

Great point. DC was crackin Jones, and the advantage roids/peds give you is that you can practice way harder, recover much better, so your cardio is off the charts along with your cardio in the fight. In both the DC Jones fights, DC started slowing at a point where Jones picked up (same with Gus vs Jones), and that is because he does not wear or suffer damage the way clean fighters do and is able to pull away owing to all the drugs and PED's he stuffs in his body. A great example is how Jon's team mate and buddy Ubereem could go 5 rounds vs Werdum and not even slow, but when he got off the sauce, he was getting KO'd in minutes by much lower class fighters.

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

Maybe, but DC is 19-1 and that 1 is to Jon Jones.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/Vi...Levels-Before-UFC-182-Highly-Suspicious-80631

 

[Fergelmince]

Ok, so I would like sherdogs overall opinion (probably biased but anywho) on who wins this fight if it was fair and cormier got to juice as well. Cormier has never popped and no reason to believe hes on steroids like Jones. So give Cormier steroids and how do you think the last fight would've went? IMO Cormier wins because he was doing good without roids until he got ko.

It should shock no one if this scenario has already happened twice.

 

[IBeLurkin]

Lol at anyone thinking DC never used roids. It's been well known and stated by many insiders that you don't make it to the highest levels of wrestling (the Olympics and world championships) without gear.

DC has definitely used roids and benefited from them, as do all wrestlers who make it to the levels he did.

Jones beat him because he's a better fighter, end of story.

 

[Migdagen]

Maybe, but DC is 19-1 and that 1 is to Jon Jones.

Jones lost to Matt Hammil...

 

[vadrigar]

Bones lives rent free in DC's mind. He never beats Jones at this point.

USADA lives rent free in Jones' mind.

 

[Gregoire1]

We saw this fight 2 times already.

 

[Lavalamp]

Yea, you can't tell by looking, sometimes you can, but sometimes you can't. Look at Yoel. Dude is 40 years old and looks like a comic book hero. That dude is like wrapped steel and we all know he is roided to the gills or at least we should know it.

With Yoel his bf is low, but musle mass wise is he bigger than Crocop?

How different is Yoel’s physique to Randy’s?

Randy is around what 45? 47? in 09 against the Big Rodrigo